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Are there still a lot of people using Vim?

by lbj 6y ago

neurotrace 6y ago
Yes
- Shared404 6y ago
  Including noobies. Source: Am noobie. Use (nv/v)im.
mssundaram 6y ago
I'm curious about your intent with this question. Do you sincerely wonder? Are you trying to make a joke?
- zests 6y ago
  I don't get the appeal of vim over vim emulators. I've always used essentially stock vim with no plugins so I find myself using JetBrains emulated vim. A language server has become necessary for me. If vim LSP competes with JetBrains LSP, I'd make the switch. I have never tried but if I was taking bets I'd bet on JetBrains for what I assume are obvious reasons.
  - corndoge 6y ago
    Language servers are pluggable to any frontend via the Language Server Protocol (LSP), and vim has plenty of frontends to go with whatever backend you desire. I like https://github.com/neoclide/coc.nvim https://github.com/neoclide/coc.nvim, check out the gif on the readme
  - lenkite 6y ago
    Neovim 0.5 which will come with inbuilt, native LSP is expected to be released soon. It will also feature init.lua - vim config in Lua instead of vimscript!
  - chrismorgan 6y ago
    I have never tried a Vim emulation mode that was not extremely irritating because it got some basic thing very wrong and multiple basic things not quite right.
  - konart 6y ago
    I've been using nvim with LSP (via coc.nvim) for more that a year now. After switching from IDEA. I feel much more productive with vim's speed and plugins then with IDEA\Goland, where I was using less that 20% of it's power I guess. Not to mention that even on MBPr 2019 with 2-3 copies of IDEA in action - IDEA starts to lag like crazy.
- lbj 6y ago
  Its a genuine question. Back in the day (90s) there were actual wars being fought between Emacs and VIM where the strongest argument against Emacs was that its somewhat bloated taking up a lot more disk space than Vim. That argument is no longer (as) valid since disk-space is so cheap, so I just figured VIM was either dead or dying.
jdauriemma 6y ago
https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019#development-environments-and-tools https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019#development-e...
- lbj 6y ago
  Wow - 5 times the size of Emacs. I never would have thought.
b0afc375b5 6y ago
If you mean as an IDE then yes, but most likely declining. If you mean as a text editor, absolutely and most definitely yes.
artificialLimbs 6y ago
I can crush my previous programming speed by orders of magnitude (~90wpm typist for years) with Vim extensions added onto whatever IDE, and prefer to just program in Vim as is anyway, being moderately new to programming.
TheFullstackGuy 6y ago
I started out my coding career using sublime, moved to atom relatively quickly, experimented with jetbrains products but didn’t like it, and moved to VSCode soon after it was released and have been using it since. There were a few people at work who had been on the same path as me before and were trying to turn me to the “dark side”, and I eventually gave in and told myself I would give it a try for two weeks and see how I liked it. Up until a few months ago I would have thought vim would never replace vscode for me, but here I am typing this message having been using vim as my only editor/ide for the last two and a half months. I use neovim nightly with the builtin lsp and treesitter support and I don’t think I’ll ever go back. It’s not only faster itself, but I am more efficient using it.
maddyboo 6y ago
Not only are a lot of people using it, the number of active users and plugin creators seems to be growing. It’s a wonderful time to be a vim user.
williamsmj 6y ago
You might find "The values of Emacs, the Neovim revolution, and the VSCode gorilla" article interesting reading https://www.murilopereira.com/the-values-of-emacs-the-neovim-revolution-and-the-vscode-gorilla/ https://www.murilopereira.com/the-values-of-emacs-the-neovim...
messo 6y ago
It would be interesting to see some numbers on this, but I have the impression that (neo)vim users are growing in numbers. I'm just a HTML+CSS guy building small websites, and learning vim has been huge boost not only to my speed/efficiency, but to the amount of fun I'm having! I ditched VScode aprox 4 months ago an basically live in the terminal now with tmux, nvim and fzf. It's such a powerfull combination!

Are there still a lot of people using Vim?

by lbj 6y ago

Are there still a lot of people using Vim?

neurotrace 6y ago

Yes

Shared404 6y ago
Including noobies. Source: Am noobie. Use (nv/v)im.

mssundaram 6y ago

I'm curious about your intent with this question. Do you sincerely wonder? Are you trying to make a joke?

zests 6y ago
I don't get the appeal of vim over vim emulators. I've always used essentially stock vim with no plugins so I find myself using JetBrains emulated vim. A language server has become necessary for me. If vim LSP competes with JetBrains LSP, I'd make the switch. I have never tried but if I was taking bets I'd bet on JetBrains for what I assume are obvious reasons.
- corndoge 6y ago
  Language servers are pluggable to any frontend via the Language Server Protocol (LSP), and vim has plenty of frontends to go with whatever backend you desire. I like https://github.com/neoclide/coc.nvim https://github.com/neoclide/coc.nvim, check out the gif on the readme
- lenkite 6y ago
  Neovim 0.5 which will come with inbuilt, native LSP is expected to be released soon. It will also feature init.lua - vim config in Lua instead of vimscript!
- chrismorgan 6y ago
  I have never tried a Vim emulation mode that was not extremely irritating because it got some basic thing very wrong and multiple basic things not quite right.
- konart 6y ago
  I've been using nvim with LSP (via coc.nvim) for more that a year now. After switching from IDEA. I feel much more productive with vim's speed and plugins then with IDEA\Goland, where I was using less that 20% of it's power I guess. Not to mention that even on MBPr 2019 with 2-3 copies of IDEA in action - IDEA starts to lag like crazy.
lbj 6y ago
Its a genuine question. Back in the day (90s) there were actual wars being fought between Emacs and VIM where the strongest argument against Emacs was that its somewhat bloated taking up a lot more disk space than Vim. That argument is no longer (as) valid since disk-space is so cheap, so I just figured VIM was either dead or dying.

jdauriemma 6y ago

https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019#development-environments-and-tools https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019#development-e...

lbj 6y ago
Wow - 5 times the size of Emacs. I never would have thought.

b0afc375b5 6y ago

If you mean as an IDE then yes, but most likely declining. If you mean as a text editor, absolutely and most definitely yes.

artificialLimbs 6y ago

I can crush my previous programming speed by orders of magnitude (~90wpm typist for years) with Vim extensions added onto whatever IDE, and prefer to just program in Vim as is anyway, being moderately new to programming.

TheFullstackGuy 6y ago

I started out my coding career using sublime, moved to atom relatively quickly, experimented with jetbrains products but didn’t like it, and moved to VSCode soon after it was released and have been using it since. There were a few people at work who had been on the same path as me before and were trying to turn me to the “dark side”, and I eventually gave in and told myself I would give it a try for two weeks and see how I liked it. Up until a few months ago I would have thought vim would never replace vscode for me, but here I am typing this message having been using vim as my only editor/ide for the last two and a half months. I use neovim nightly with the builtin lsp and treesitter support and I don’t think I’ll ever go back. It’s not only faster itself, but I am more efficient using it.

maddyboo 6y ago

Not only are a lot of people using it, the number of active users and plugin creators seems to be growing. It’s a wonderful time to be a vim user.

williamsmj 6y ago

You might find "The values of Emacs, the Neovim revolution, and the VSCode gorilla" article interesting reading https://www.murilopereira.com/the-values-of-emacs-the-neovim-revolution-and-the-vscode-gorilla/ https://www.murilopereira.com/the-values-of-emacs-the-neovim...

messo 6y ago

It would be interesting to see some numbers on this, but I have the impression that (neo)vim users are growing in numbers. I'm just a HTML+CSS guy building small websites, and learning vim has been huge boost not only to my speed/efficiency, but to the amount of fun I'm having! I ditched VScode aprox 4 months ago an basically live in the terminal now with tmux, nvim and fzf. It's such a powerfull combination!