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Reddit: A clarification on actioning and employee names

77 points by chippy 6y ago

chippy 6y ago
It appears as if the mods of several large subreddits are protesting by turning their subreddits private: https://www.reddit.com/user/Blank-Cheque/comments/mbmthf/why_is_this_subreddit_private_see_here_for_answers/ https://www.reddit.com/user/Blank-Cheque/comments/mbmthf/why...
- rjbwork 6y ago
  FYI to those reading - Blank-Cheque mods over 400 subreddits, many of which are massive. It will be interesting to see how the admins respond to the mods essentially shutting down vast swathes of the site. The only time I recall something like this happening was the Ellen Pao clusterfuck.
speexmex 6y ago
This is the article which started all this, the posting of which to reddit supposedly doxxed it's employee. Second to last paragraph: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-green-party-s-growing-contempt-for-women-s-rights https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-green-party-s-growin...
- phone8675309 6y ago
  For those here to see what the accusations against the reddit employee were, here's a direct link: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/aimee-challenor-father-rape-election-agent-green-party-investigation-a8725701.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/aimee-challe...
- LeCow 6y ago
  WTF did I just read?
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IntemerateApe 6y ago
It's like voldemort - if you say the name, you get banned. saying a fairly-public person's name is not the same thing as harassing or doxxing
- throwawaysea 6y ago
  It shouldn’t be considered harassing or “doxxing”, but this precedent of arbitrary labeling was set on numerous occasions. For example it was set by activists and partisans crying “doxxing” on past occasions like when journalist Andy Ngo documented the criminal activity of antifa groups in Portland or when Zero Hedge listed the public information of the Wuhan lab’s head straight from the lab’s public facing website. Randomly made up, highly charged words like “doxxing” have no place in our discourse. We need to have fixed language if we are to reason about the world around us in a consistent and useful manner. Unfortunately these days language has itself become a political tool and battleground.
  - Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
    Slang happens. By planting your flag you're relegating yourself to history. Yes, these matters deserve more nuance. Yes, many of the people speaking authoritatively are in fact missing important details or fudging the facts to fit their bias. Unfortunately, that's just the state of things. I don't have a better solution cooked up, but trying to cancel is a word is just plain laughable. (Obvious exceptions are obvious)
- ajross 6y ago
  No, but an awful lot of that "saying" was in the context of pretty clear harrassment. Two things can be true at the same time: 1. Reddit went way too far trying to protect their employee from harassment. 2. Reddit's employee was being actively harrassed on Reddit. The second is worse, sorry.
  - phone8675309 6y ago
    > Reddit's employee was being actively harrassed on Reddit. Can you show the harassment versus comment about the situation?
raffraffraff 6y ago
Wow. The Streisand Effect may need to be renamed. The comments in that thread require popcorn. > This name was mentioned in an article on an external website that was linked in a post on r/ukpolitics. You've stated here that an automatic moderation rule was able to read this external article, see the name, and then ban the user who posted it? Is this scanning all external links posted to Reddit? > > there was no bot. they just let the admin nuke whatever offended them. > > > Exactly. It's complete bullshit.
blub 6y ago
How can one get charged with raping and torturing a 10 year old and with possession of child pornography unrelated to that child and is then out on bail for two years? When one considers the UK scandals involving children gang rapes and the police looking the other way (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploit...), it becomes disturbingly clear that the UK is unwilling to protect children living on its territory.
- kypro 6y ago
  From what I can gather at least 20,000 children were sexually abused in those grooming gangs over the last couple of decades from multiple cities and towns in the UK. If you're working class you probably know a child this happened to in my experience. What's weird and upset me as someone who knows a victim of these grooming gangs wasn't that the police didn't do anything, but that to public didn't care and all the protests against the cover up were branded as far-right. Nothing will change because whenever the BBC, the police or our politicians are reviled to have been covering up a child rape story the media seem to defend our institutions and the public don't seem to care much either way. I know this is mostly irrelevant to the story posted here, but you're touching on is very true imo. The UK does seem to turn a blind eye to the problem of pedophilia.
  - throwaway53453 6y ago
    It's become a politically charged subject. Conservatives are barely touching it because it's not a polite topic, and Labour outright are pretending it's not an issue. Also, this happened: https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/pri_50287010.jpg https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/pri_50287010..... Kind of shows the mindset a little.

77 points by chippy 6y ago

It appears as if the mods of several large subreddits are protesting by turning their subreddits private: https://www.reddit.com/user/Blank-Cheque/comments/mbmthf/why_is_this_subreddit_private_see_here_for_answers/ https://www.reddit.com/user/Blank-Cheque/comments/mbmthf/why...

rjbwork 6y ago
FYI to those reading - Blank-Cheque mods over 400 subreddits, many of which are massive. It will be interesting to see how the admins respond to the mods essentially shutting down vast swathes of the site. The only time I recall something like this happening was the Ellen Pao clusterfuck.

speexmex 6y ago

This is the article which started all this, the posting of which to reddit supposedly doxxed it's employee. Second to last paragraph: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-green-party-s-growing-contempt-for-women-s-rights https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-green-party-s-growin...

phone8675309 6y ago
For those here to see what the accusations against the reddit employee were, here's a direct link: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/aimee-challenor-father-rape-election-agent-green-party-investigation-a8725701.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/aimee-challe...
LeCow 6y ago
WTF did I just read?

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IntemerateApe 6y ago

It's like voldemort - if you say the name, you get banned. saying a fairly-public person's name is not the same thing as harassing or doxxing

throwawaysea 6y ago
It shouldn’t be considered harassing or “doxxing”, but this precedent of arbitrary labeling was set on numerous occasions. For example it was set by activists and partisans crying “doxxing” on past occasions like when journalist Andy Ngo documented the criminal activity of antifa groups in Portland or when Zero Hedge listed the public information of the Wuhan lab’s head straight from the lab’s public facing website. Randomly made up, highly charged words like “doxxing” have no place in our discourse. We need to have fixed language if we are to reason about the world around us in a consistent and useful manner. Unfortunately these days language has itself become a political tool and battleground.
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 6y ago
  Slang happens. By planting your flag you're relegating yourself to history. Yes, these matters deserve more nuance. Yes, many of the people speaking authoritatively are in fact missing important details or fudging the facts to fit their bias. Unfortunately, that's just the state of things. I don't have a better solution cooked up, but trying to cancel is a word is just plain laughable. (Obvious exceptions are obvious)
ajross 6y ago
No, but an awful lot of that "saying" was in the context of pretty clear harrassment. Two things can be true at the same time: 1. Reddit went way too far trying to protect their employee from harassment. 2. Reddit's employee was being actively harrassed on Reddit. The second is worse, sorry.
- phone8675309 6y ago
  > Reddit's employee was being actively harrassed on Reddit. Can you show the harassment versus comment about the situation?

raffraffraff 6y ago

Wow. The Streisand Effect may need to be renamed. The comments in that thread require popcorn. > This name was mentioned in an article on an external website that was linked in a post on r/ukpolitics. You've stated here that an automatic moderation rule was able to read this external article, see the name, and then ban the user who posted it? Is this scanning all external links posted to Reddit? > > there was no bot. they just let the admin nuke whatever offended them. > > > Exactly. It's complete bullshit.

blub 6y ago

How can one get charged with raping and torturing a 10 year old and with possession of child pornography unrelated to that child and is then out on bail for two years? When one considers the UK scandals involving children gang rapes and the police looking the other way (e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploit...), it becomes disturbingly clear that the UK is unwilling to protect children living on its territory.

kypro 6y ago
From what I can gather at least 20,000 children were sexually abused in those grooming gangs over the last couple of decades from multiple cities and towns in the UK. If you're working class you probably know a child this happened to in my experience. What's weird and upset me as someone who knows a victim of these grooming gangs wasn't that the police didn't do anything, but that to public didn't care and all the protests against the cover up were branded as far-right. Nothing will change because whenever the BBC, the police or our politicians are reviled to have been covering up a child rape story the media seem to defend our institutions and the public don't seem to care much either way. I know this is mostly irrelevant to the story posted here, but you're touching on is very true imo. The UK does seem to turn a blind eye to the problem of pedophilia.
- throwaway53453 6y ago
  It's become a politically charged subject. Conservatives are barely touching it because it's not a polite topic, and Labour outright are pretending it's not an issue. Also, this happened: https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/pri_50287010.jpg https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/pri_50287010..... Kind of shows the mindset a little.