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But yet these users never deploy a non-google debloated world. Billing on line is the same thing. Unless you are on a trusted site (Amazon / Apple) you can jus

But yet these users never deploy a non-google debloated world. Billing on line is the same thing. Unless you are on a trusted site (Amazon / Apple) you can just get hosed trying to cancel subscriptions with jack up pricing etc. Same thing with spam - at some point users stopped trusting the hackers and developers and migrated to more controlled worlds (ie, gmail etc) which blocks HUGE quantities of the junk. I just wish hackers spent some time trying to make users experience and lives better rather than the constant push to spam them (EFF wanted to pass laws banning anti-spam measures), now AMP (which was amazing) is being attacked endlessly and the list goes on. Google has a commercial reason for pushing this stuff - the web was turning into a trash bit (flyover ads with audio etc etc).

m8s 6y ago
Which users? What a sweeping generalization. Your disdain for some mythical group of people is very odd. Besides, does blocking ads and trackers not at least partially alleviate the issue? Works well for me and, in combination with a reader view, is a significantly better experience than AMP. I'd argue that those "hackers" you very much hate are the exact ones fighting against corporate bloat on the web.
- fishywang 6y ago
  "blocking ads and trackers" on the phone means that there's basically only one choice which is firefox, no? not saying firefox is not good but it's at least not for everyone.
  - pps 6y ago
    I'm using Opera on Android, it has ad-blocker built-in. I think Vivaldi has it too.
    - fishywang 6y ago
      I know those browsers exist, but how much percentage of mobile web browser traffic are coming from browsers with the ability to block ads?
      - Shared404 6y ago
        So because Google's browser is hostile to making the Web useful except for the stuff under Google's control, we should cede control to Google?
  - alsetmusic 6y ago
    > "blocking ads and trackers" on the phone means that there's basically only one choice which is firefox, no? not saying firefox is not good but it's at least not for everyone. I'm blocking a good percentage of ads in Safari on my iPhone via third-party apps Hush[0] and Magic Lasso[1]. I typically read articles in Reader mode. Because of this, I can't give a great accounting of how many ads actually get through. Certainly, the number is small enough that I don't think about it. [0] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/hush-nag-blocker/id1544743900 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/hush-nag-blocker/id1544743900 [1] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ad-blocker-by-magic-lasso/id1260462853 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ad-blocker-by-magic-lasso/id12...
- random5634 6y ago
  Apple is a complete walled garden, and plenty of folks have migrated to their phones for example - they actually want an experience that is very predictable and can be trusted. Apple charges HIGH amounts of money as a result of this level of user trust. I also think users are more likely to spend money inside this garden - I know I do because it's much harder to get screwed there. I'll subscribe to an apple app long before I'd do the same on a random website.

m8s 6y ago

Which users? What a sweeping generalization. Your disdain for some mythical group of people is very odd. Besides, does blocking ads and trackers not at least partially alleviate the issue? Works well for me and, in combination with a reader view, is a significantly better experience than AMP. I'd argue that those "hackers" you very much hate are the exact ones fighting against corporate bloat on the web.

fishywang 6y ago
"blocking ads and trackers" on the phone means that there's basically only one choice which is firefox, no? not saying firefox is not good but it's at least not for everyone.
- pps 6y ago
  I'm using Opera on Android, it has ad-blocker built-in. I think Vivaldi has it too.
  - fishywang 6y ago
    I know those browsers exist, but how much percentage of mobile web browser traffic are coming from browsers with the ability to block ads?
    - Shared404 6y ago
      So because Google's browser is hostile to making the Web useful except for the stuff under Google's control, we should cede control to Google?
- alsetmusic 6y ago
  > "blocking ads and trackers" on the phone means that there's basically only one choice which is firefox, no? not saying firefox is not good but it's at least not for everyone. I'm blocking a good percentage of ads in Safari on my iPhone via third-party apps Hush[0] and Magic Lasso[1]. I typically read articles in Reader mode. Because of this, I can't give a great accounting of how many ads actually get through. Certainly, the number is small enough that I don't think about it. [0] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/hush-nag-blocker/id1544743900 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/hush-nag-blocker/id1544743900 [1] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ad-blocker-by-magic-lasso/id1260462853 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ad-blocker-by-magic-lasso/id12...
random5634 6y ago
Apple is a complete walled garden, and plenty of folks have migrated to their phones for example - they actually want an experience that is very predictable and can be trusted. Apple charges HIGH amounts of money as a result of this level of user trust. I also think users are more likely to spend money inside this garden - I know I do because it's much harder to get screwed there. I'll subscribe to an apple app long before I'd do the same on a random website.