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The Aurora attacks were followed by systematic penetrations of one industry after another. In the so-called Night Dragon series, attackers apparently in China w

by n1ck4n 15y ago

The Aurora attacks were followed by systematic penetrations of one industry after another. In the so-called Night Dragon series, attackers apparently in China went after major oil and gas companies, not only in the U.S. but throughout the world --- One more "for" argument: in Asia, China's been accused by Phillippines and Vietnam, as well as Japan of aggressively invading their territorial waters, islands. Those areas are likely rich of oil. Actions such as sending war boats to damage fishing boats are a sign of China's ambition to seek more oil, oil and oil... Relevant link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110614/ap_on_re_as/as_china_us http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110614/ap_on_re_as/as_china_us

nl 15y ago
Why make an unsubstantiated link between the hacking incidents and the South China Sea conflicts? The South China Sea has been a source of territorial conflicts though-out history. In modern times there have been brief shooting conflict between China & Vietnam in 1974, and 1988 [1], and there have been numerous incidents since. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Sea#Territorial_claims http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Sea#Territorial_cla...
- n1ck4n 15y ago
  If you look at Paracel Islands, yeah, maybe China's close to it. But if you look at Spratly islands, which are very much territories of either Vietnam, Indonesia or the Phillipines. And China is to claim it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:South_China_Sea.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:South_China_Sea.jpg Plus, the attacks happened around Spratly islands, 2 days right after Shangri-la Dialogue, with the participation of top military bosses, including Robert Gates, where China promised to use peace talks to resolve the problem. My 2 cents here: 1. China has always been a world of its own, it acts by its rules and what it promises is just what is says, what it does is another thing. 2. China has become BIG, and worse, it IS aggressive. We'd better be prepared for a coming war, be it cyber or economical or traditional. We might be under a much bigger threat than what the media could convey, like that picture by David Gothard http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/ED-AN742_clarke_D_20110614180051.jpg http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/ED-AN742_clarke_D_...
  - cdavid 15y ago
    Every old nation has territories which would be hard to claim if not for historical reasons. To take my own country as an example, the justification for France to own Guyane, Guadeloupe, reunion island, etc... is slim at best (France just happened to be a former colonial power). As for your points 1 and 2, do you think people don't attribute those to the US as well ? Point 1 in particular falls into what is called unilateralism - a pervasive notion in the political discourse of the US since their inception. My point is not to fall into superficial anti americanism: it i simply in the best interest of the US to act this way, and most countries pushing for multilaterilsm are countries without the power to act differently anymore. But moral, fairness has absolutely nothing to do with it.
  - Volpe 15y ago
    War mongering ethnocentric bullshit. China are aggressive in what they believe is 'their' territory, and nothing else. They have no (modern) history of invading or even being involved in other conflicts around the world. Most [large] countries could not boast a similar history. On the UN security council they veto most aggressive action the US/England/EU press. If further pressed they generally abstain from the vote. Other than territorial disputes where do you get the idea they are 'aggressive' ? China is out to protect it's interests just like every other nation. The worry is, they are big, and CAN protect their interests. The western super powers are not used to being challenged like this.
    - n1ck4n 15y ago
      Yeah, even Napoleon Bonaparte once said: "China? There lies a lion, let her sleep, for once she's awake, she will shake the world" Another point is, I can't remember who (pretty famous analyst) said this, but something like: "There's nothing wrong with China's getting richer and stronger. The only problem is China was once depressed by other countries like Japan, England... And like a child, when he grows up, he will take _revenge_ " So China is not just-like-every-other-nation like you said

by n1ck4n 15y ago

nl 15y ago

Why make an unsubstantiated link between the hacking incidents and the South China Sea conflicts? The South China Sea has been a source of territorial conflicts though-out history. In modern times there have been brief shooting conflict between China & Vietnam in 1974, and 1988 [1], and there have been numerous incidents since. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Sea#Territorial_claims http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_China_Sea#Territorial_cla...

n1ck4n 15y ago
If you look at Paracel Islands, yeah, maybe China's close to it. But if you look at Spratly islands, which are very much territories of either Vietnam, Indonesia or the Phillipines. And China is to claim it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:South_China_Sea.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:South_China_Sea.jpg Plus, the attacks happened around Spratly islands, 2 days right after Shangri-la Dialogue, with the participation of top military bosses, including Robert Gates, where China promised to use peace talks to resolve the problem. My 2 cents here: 1. China has always been a world of its own, it acts by its rules and what it promises is just what is says, what it does is another thing. 2. China has become BIG, and worse, it IS aggressive. We'd better be prepared for a coming war, be it cyber or economical or traditional. We might be under a much bigger threat than what the media could convey, like that picture by David Gothard http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/ED-AN742_clarke_D_20110614180051.jpg http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/ED-AN742_clarke_D_...
- cdavid 15y ago
  Every old nation has territories which would be hard to claim if not for historical reasons. To take my own country as an example, the justification for France to own Guyane, Guadeloupe, reunion island, etc... is slim at best (France just happened to be a former colonial power). As for your points 1 and 2, do you think people don't attribute those to the US as well ? Point 1 in particular falls into what is called unilateralism - a pervasive notion in the political discourse of the US since their inception. My point is not to fall into superficial anti americanism: it i simply in the best interest of the US to act this way, and most countries pushing for multilaterilsm are countries without the power to act differently anymore. But moral, fairness has absolutely nothing to do with it.
- Volpe 15y ago
  War mongering ethnocentric bullshit. China are aggressive in what they believe is 'their' territory, and nothing else. They have no (modern) history of invading or even being involved in other conflicts around the world. Most [large] countries could not boast a similar history. On the UN security council they veto most aggressive action the US/England/EU press. If further pressed they generally abstain from the vote. Other than territorial disputes where do you get the idea they are 'aggressive' ? China is out to protect it's interests just like every other nation. The worry is, they are big, and CAN protect their interests. The western super powers are not used to being challenged like this.
  - n1ck4n 15y ago
    Yeah, even Napoleon Bonaparte once said: "China? There lies a lion, let her sleep, for once she's awake, she will shake the world" Another point is, I can't remember who (pretty famous analyst) said this, but something like: "There's nothing wrong with China's getting richer and stronger. The only problem is China was once depressed by other countries like Japan, England... And like a child, when he grows up, he will take _revenge_ " So China is not just-like-every-other-nation like you said