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Here's something horrifying for you. I ran Android 5.x with updates blocked for 5 years, and even now that phone works unchanged! I also disable Spectre/Meltdow

by bserge 6y ago

Here's something horrifying for you. I ran Android 5.x with updates blocked for 5 years, and even now that phone works unchanged! I also disable Spectre/Meltdown mitigations in Windows and undervolt my processors! I have no antivirus! I don't lock my door at night and my dog is going deaf with old age! Oooh, even I shudder when reading that! :D

coldtea 6y ago
It's all fun and games until you get some huge charges in your credit card, or your bank details leaked, or some fraud is commited in your name with you details and everything...
- nightowl_games 6y ago
  After the Target credit card leak and the Equifax leak it really doesn't matter anymore. Besides, Visa typically just refunds you. It's really about someone taking an undetected loan out in your name, credit card fraud is not a big deal to the regular consumer anymore.
  - blaser-waffle 6y ago
    If you really believe that give me your social security number and credit card details. I won't do anything with em, pinky-promise, but if something did happen, it doesn't matter, right? Just talk to Visa. Like, why lock my car and house doors when insurance will pay for it?
    - photojosh 6y ago
      > Like, why lock my car and house doors when insurance will pay for it? Because you'll have a really hard time with a claim if there's no sign of forced entry, since many insurance policies are void in this situation?
    - jjav 6y ago
      > Just talk to Visa. Yes, just call them. By regulation, you're not liable for unauthorized use of credit card (specifically, credit card). As a consumer you have zero concerns about card theft.
- rchaud 6y ago
  It's for this reason that I do online banking and investing on my personal laptop. Seeing as how I pretty much open both apps twice a month max, I have no need to install the mobile app. I don't use Google/Samsung Pay either. They literally do the same thing as the credit + debit card in my wallet. But their advertisements would have you believe they've somehow reinvented consumer finance.
- olyjohn 6y ago
  Name one big leak that would have been stopped by patching his phone, patching Windows, running AV, or locking his door at night...
  - coldtea 6y ago
    It's enough to name hundreds of thousands of personal leaks that have happened by not doing those things... If your attitude to security is "I can run my computer with unpatched XP with a public IP and sync it to a 7 year unpatched phone because once in a blue moon some credit card company or major business can leak my account data there too", then sure...
    - olyjohn 6y ago
      If its enough to name hundreds of thousands of leaks that have been caused by those behaviors, then you should be able to name one.
      - coldtea 6y ago
        Sorry, you want me to name a person who had their info/data leaked because of unpatched OS/broswer/mobile? Might as well ask me to name "one" covid victim, lest they're all "actors". My uncle, for one, had a randomsware attack 3 years ago, crippling his (small, construction services) company for weeks. You are aware that there are tons of malware attacks, computers controlled as bots (doing mining, DDoS, etc.), ransomware, etc, right? Or is this some episode of the Twilight Zone? https://www.csoonline.com/article/2923557/many-ransomware-victims-plead-with-attackers.html https://www.csoonline.com/article/2923557/many-ransomware-vi... https://krebsonsecurity.com/2019/12/ransomware-gangs-now-outing-victim-businesses-that-dont-pay-up/ https://krebsonsecurity.com/2019/12/ransomware-gangs-now-out... https://www.securityweek.com/google-sophisticated-apt-group-burned-11-zero-days-mass-spying-operation https://www.securityweek.com/google-sophisticated-apt-group-... https://www.securityweek.com/sierra-wireless-says-ransomware-disrupted-production-manufacturing-facilities https://www.securityweek.com/sierra-wireless-says-ransomware...
  - dredmorbius 6y ago
- jjav 6y ago
  None of that can happen if you don't enter your credit card or bank info into your phone. Treat it as just a phone and it doesn't matter. Phone operating systems have so many issues that there's no way I'll trust them with any important data.

by bserge 6y ago

coldtea 6y ago

It's all fun and games until you get some huge charges in your credit card, or your bank details leaked, or some fraud is commited in your name with you details and everything...

nightowl_games 6y ago
After the Target credit card leak and the Equifax leak it really doesn't matter anymore. Besides, Visa typically just refunds you. It's really about someone taking an undetected loan out in your name, credit card fraud is not a big deal to the regular consumer anymore.
- blaser-waffle 6y ago
  If you really believe that give me your social security number and credit card details. I won't do anything with em, pinky-promise, but if something did happen, it doesn't matter, right? Just talk to Visa. Like, why lock my car and house doors when insurance will pay for it?
  - photojosh 6y ago
    > Like, why lock my car and house doors when insurance will pay for it? Because you'll have a really hard time with a claim if there's no sign of forced entry, since many insurance policies are void in this situation?
  - jjav 6y ago
    > Just talk to Visa. Yes, just call them. By regulation, you're not liable for unauthorized use of credit card (specifically, credit card). As a consumer you have zero concerns about card theft.
rchaud 6y ago
It's for this reason that I do online banking and investing on my personal laptop. Seeing as how I pretty much open both apps twice a month max, I have no need to install the mobile app. I don't use Google/Samsung Pay either. They literally do the same thing as the credit + debit card in my wallet. But their advertisements would have you believe they've somehow reinvented consumer finance.
olyjohn 6y ago
Name one big leak that would have been stopped by patching his phone, patching Windows, running AV, or locking his door at night...
- coldtea 6y ago
  It's enough to name hundreds of thousands of personal leaks that have happened by not doing those things... If your attitude to security is "I can run my computer with unpatched XP with a public IP and sync it to a 7 year unpatched phone because once in a blue moon some credit card company or major business can leak my account data there too", then sure...
  - olyjohn 6y ago
    If its enough to name hundreds of thousands of leaks that have been caused by those behaviors, then you should be able to name one.
    - coldtea 6y ago
      Sorry, you want me to name a person who had their info/data leaked because of unpatched OS/broswer/mobile? Might as well ask me to name "one" covid victim, lest they're all "actors". My uncle, for one, had a randomsware attack 3 years ago, crippling his (small, construction services) company for weeks. You are aware that there are tons of malware attacks, computers controlled as bots (doing mining, DDoS, etc.), ransomware, etc, right? Or is this some episode of the Twilight Zone? https://www.csoonline.com/article/2923557/many-ransomware-victims-plead-with-attackers.html https://www.csoonline.com/article/2923557/many-ransomware-vi... https://krebsonsecurity.com/2019/12/ransomware-gangs-now-outing-victim-businesses-that-dont-pay-up/ https://krebsonsecurity.com/2019/12/ransomware-gangs-now-out... https://www.securityweek.com/google-sophisticated-apt-group-burned-11-zero-days-mass-spying-operation https://www.securityweek.com/google-sophisticated-apt-group-... https://www.securityweek.com/sierra-wireless-says-ransomware-disrupted-production-manufacturing-facilities https://www.securityweek.com/sierra-wireless-says-ransomware...
- dredmorbius 6y ago
jjav 6y ago
None of that can happen if you don't enter your credit card or bank info into your phone. Treat it as just a phone and it doesn't matter. Phone operating systems have so many issues that there's no way I'll trust them with any important data.