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Maybe don't hire a known child rapist/torturer if you don't want to be hated.

by cde-v 6y ago

sonthonax 6y ago
We're in agreement that knowingly associating oneself with pedophiles deserves a degree of opprobrium. However that does raise the question, how much opprobrium? The person in question probably suffers psychologically a great deal. Who wouldn't if they were dealt with the double-hand of gender-dysphoria and a pedophile father? I think it is safe to conclude this person is not well. Does the world really stand to gain much exposing a fringe activist to the opprobrium of the entire world? I might sound radical in saying this, but I really don't think they do, and I think that societal shame needs to be regulated in proportion with how useful it is.
- LunaSea 6y ago
  Q1: Should a psychologically suffering person be able to run for public office? I would say yes. Q2: If so, should a public figure that is psychologically suffering be safeguarded from any criticism I would say no since being a public figure was a conscious choice.
- Closi 6y ago
  > The person in question probably suffers psychologically a great deal. Who wouldn't if they were dealt with the double-hand of gender-dysphoria and a pedophile father? You don't get a pass on hiring your dad while he is being charged for sex crimes just because you are trans.
  - sonthonax 6y ago
    That's not what I'm trying to address. I said that I agree that deserves opprobrium! What I have trouble with, is the idea that it's somehow okay for the whole world to deliver it in the form of an ungoverned internet mob. Societies have limits to how much opprobrium you can receive. The reality is that she's probably getting tens of thousands of death threats. In most places you have an inalienable legal right to protection from such things.
    - Shivetya 6y ago
      I would say, if you are more than one level removed from the issue then you should be given consideration. If you are two or more levels removed then it should be not even on the RADAR However given she is directly connected to the person at hand by willful association after knowing the issue she pretty much deserves no exception. Frankly I could care less about her and more about how Reddit justifies hiring her knowing what they know about her. Maybe Reddit can sell dispensations in the form of hiring people.
    - Closi 6y ago
      What i mean is, your post seemed to imply that the opprobrium should be less because she is trans. I think it should be equal regardless of your gender identity.
      - sonthonax 6y ago
        I think it's fairly clear that she's receiving far more opprobrium because she is trans.
  - savingsPossible 6y ago
    No, but you get a pass because he was not yet convicted. that is what a conviction means -- we should not punish people before it, nor should we punish people that associate with them
    - Closi 6y ago
      > That is what a conviction means -- we should not punish people before it, nor should we punish people that associate with them It’s still bad judgement to hire someone who you are aware is being investigated for kidnapping and raping a 10 year old child when you are in a political party trying to get elected. I mean it’s not a good look for a political party to play the “I knew he was being investigated for child rape, but we hired him anyway because innocent until proven guilty, even though he was actually guilty in the end” card.
- jandrese 6y ago
  Technically most Reddit staff would have to say that they were associating with pedophiles if they were around while Ghislaine Maxwell was one of the biggest and most active admins on the site.
- bitcurious 6y ago
  > Does the world really stand to gain much exposing a fringe activist to the opprobrium of the entire world? In this case, the person being shamed for endorsing pedophilia was hired to manage a communities of children. She hired a child rapist, married an admitted pedophile, and now (as demonstrated by this incident) has the power to control what media many children are exposed to. I’ve no problem with her getting a job that doesn’t involve kids.
gaius_baltar 6y ago
> Maybe don't hire a known child rapist/torturer if you don't want to be hated. To manage her political campaign, that's the important part. Being a candidate for a public office _is_ justified reason for discussing a person's employees/employers/companies/taxes/PRs/whatever. I had no frakking idea on who she was until this, anyway.

Maybe don't hire a known child rapist/torturer if you don't want to be hated.

by cde-v 6y ago

Maybe don't hire a known child rapist/torturer if you don't want to be hated.

We're in agreement that knowingly associating oneself with pedophiles deserves a degree of opprobrium. However that does raise the question, how much opprobrium? The person in question probably suffers psychologically a great deal. Who wouldn't if they were dealt with the double-hand of gender-dysphoria and a pedophile father? I think it is safe to conclude this person is not well. Does the world really stand to gain much exposing a fringe activist to the opprobrium of the entire world? I might sound radical in saying this, but I really don't think they do, and I think that societal shame needs to be regulated in proportion with how useful it is.

LunaSea 6y ago
Q1: Should a psychologically suffering person be able to run for public office? I would say yes. Q2: If so, should a public figure that is psychologically suffering be safeguarded from any criticism I would say no since being a public figure was a conscious choice.
Closi 6y ago
> The person in question probably suffers psychologically a great deal. Who wouldn't if they were dealt with the double-hand of gender-dysphoria and a pedophile father? You don't get a pass on hiring your dad while he is being charged for sex crimes just because you are trans.
- sonthonax 6y ago
  That's not what I'm trying to address. I said that I agree that deserves opprobrium! What I have trouble with, is the idea that it's somehow okay for the whole world to deliver it in the form of an ungoverned internet mob. Societies have limits to how much opprobrium you can receive. The reality is that she's probably getting tens of thousands of death threats. In most places you have an inalienable legal right to protection from such things.
  - Shivetya 6y ago
    I would say, if you are more than one level removed from the issue then you should be given consideration. If you are two or more levels removed then it should be not even on the RADAR However given she is directly connected to the person at hand by willful association after knowing the issue she pretty much deserves no exception. Frankly I could care less about her and more about how Reddit justifies hiring her knowing what they know about her. Maybe Reddit can sell dispensations in the form of hiring people.
  - Closi 6y ago
    What i mean is, your post seemed to imply that the opprobrium should be less because she is trans. I think it should be equal regardless of your gender identity.
    - sonthonax 6y ago
      I think it's fairly clear that she's receiving far more opprobrium because she is trans.
- savingsPossible 6y ago
  No, but you get a pass because he was not yet convicted. that is what a conviction means -- we should not punish people before it, nor should we punish people that associate with them
  - Closi 6y ago
    > That is what a conviction means -- we should not punish people before it, nor should we punish people that associate with them It’s still bad judgement to hire someone who you are aware is being investigated for kidnapping and raping a 10 year old child when you are in a political party trying to get elected. I mean it’s not a good look for a political party to play the “I knew he was being investigated for child rape, but we hired him anyway because innocent until proven guilty, even though he was actually guilty in the end” card.
jandrese 6y ago
Technically most Reddit staff would have to say that they were associating with pedophiles if they were around while Ghislaine Maxwell was one of the biggest and most active admins on the site.
bitcurious 6y ago
> Does the world really stand to gain much exposing a fringe activist to the opprobrium of the entire world? In this case, the person being shamed for endorsing pedophilia was hired to manage a communities of children. She hired a child rapist, married an admitted pedophile, and now (as demonstrated by this incident) has the power to control what media many children are exposed to. I’ve no problem with her getting a job that doesn’t involve kids.

gaius_baltar 6y ago

> Maybe don't hire a known child rapist/torturer if you don't want to be hated. To manage her political campaign, that's the important part. Being a candidate for a public office _is_ justified reason for discussing a person's employees/employers/companies/taxes/PRs/whatever. I had no frakking idea on who she was until this, anyway.