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Despite all the vitriol, I have a degree of sympathy for the Reddit admin in question. I can't imagine how distressing it must be to be turned into a worldwide

Despite all the vitriol, I have a degree of sympathy for the Reddit admin in question. I can't imagine how distressing it must be to be turned into a worldwide hate figure overnight; that has to be extremely psychologically damaging. Among the mob will be genuinely hateful and equally vile people who'll probably send a tsunami of death threats. Reddit is in a bit of a difficult place; perhaps because of the legal duty of care Reddit has to their employee (particularly to someone who can legitimately claim to be marginalised) they can't just toss her to an incensed mob. Especially if that incensed mob was created by the actions of Reddit making clumsy choices.

cde-v 6y ago
Maybe don't hire a known child rapist/torturer if you don't want to be hated.
- sonthonax 6y ago
  We're in agreement that knowingly associating oneself with pedophiles deserves a degree of opprobrium. However that does raise the question, how much opprobrium? The person in question probably suffers psychologically a great deal. Who wouldn't if they were dealt with the double-hand of gender-dysphoria and a pedophile father? I think it is safe to conclude this person is not well. Does the world really stand to gain much exposing a fringe activist to the opprobrium of the entire world? I might sound radical in saying this, but I really don't think they do, and I think that societal shame needs to be regulated in proportion with how useful it is.
  - LunaSea 6y ago
    Q1: Should a psychologically suffering person be able to run for public office? I would say yes. Q2: If so, should a public figure that is psychologically suffering be safeguarded from any criticism I would say no since being a public figure was a conscious choice.
  - Closi 6y ago
    > The person in question probably suffers psychologically a great deal. Who wouldn't if they were dealt with the double-hand of gender-dysphoria and a pedophile father? You don't get a pass on hiring your dad while he is being charged for sex crimes just because you are trans.
    - sonthonax 6y ago
      That's not what I'm trying to address. I said that I agree that deserves opprobrium! What I have trouble with, is the idea that it's somehow okay for the whole world to deliver it in the form of an ungoverned internet mob. Societies have limits to how much opprobrium you can receive. The reality is that she's probably getting tens of thousands of death threats. In most places you have an inalienable legal right to protection from such things.
      - Shivetya 6y ago
        I would say, if you are more than one level removed from the issue then you should be given consideration. If you are two or more levels removed then it should be not even on the RADAR However given she is directly connected to the person at hand by willful association after knowing the issue she pretty much deserves no exception. Frankly I could care less about her and more about how Reddit justifies hiring her knowing what they know about her. Maybe Reddit can sell dispensations in the form of hiring people.
      - Closi 6y ago
        What i mean is, your post seemed to imply that the opprobrium should be less because she is trans. I think it should be equal regardless of your gender identity.
        sonthonax 6y ago
        I think it's fairly clear that she's receiving far more opprobrium because she is trans.
    - savingsPossible 6y ago
  - jandrese 6y ago
    Technically most Reddit staff would have to say that they were associating with pedophiles if they were around while Ghislaine Maxwell was one of the biggest and most active admins on the site.
  - bitcurious 6y ago
    > Does the world really stand to gain much exposing a fringe activist to the opprobrium of the entire world? In this case, the person being shamed for endorsing pedophilia was hired to manage a communities of children. She hired a child rapist, married an admitted pedophile, and now (as demonstrated by this incident) has the power to control what media many children are exposed to. I’ve no problem with her getting a job that doesn’t involve kids.
- gaius_baltar 6y ago
  > Maybe don't hire a known child rapist/torturer if you don't want to be hated. To manage her political campaign, that's the important part. Being a candidate for a public office _is_ justified reason for discussing a person's employees/employers/companies/taxes/PRs/whatever. I had no frakking idea on who she was until this, anyway.
LunarRover 6y ago
+1 the Linehan article is explicitly hateful. I think this is an attempt to defend her from that contravention of the hate speech policy, and is more cock-up than conspiracy IMO.
- generalizations 6y ago
  Conspiracy to hide a negative article? Could just be a cocked-up conspiracy.

cde-v 6y ago

Maybe don't hire a known child rapist/torturer if you don't want to be hated.

sonthonax 6y ago
We're in agreement that knowingly associating oneself with pedophiles deserves a degree of opprobrium. However that does raise the question, how much opprobrium? The person in question probably suffers psychologically a great deal. Who wouldn't if they were dealt with the double-hand of gender-dysphoria and a pedophile father? I think it is safe to conclude this person is not well. Does the world really stand to gain much exposing a fringe activist to the opprobrium of the entire world? I might sound radical in saying this, but I really don't think they do, and I think that societal shame needs to be regulated in proportion with how useful it is.
- LunaSea 6y ago
  Q1: Should a psychologically suffering person be able to run for public office? I would say yes. Q2: If so, should a public figure that is psychologically suffering be safeguarded from any criticism I would say no since being a public figure was a conscious choice.
- Closi 6y ago
  > The person in question probably suffers psychologically a great deal. Who wouldn't if they were dealt with the double-hand of gender-dysphoria and a pedophile father? You don't get a pass on hiring your dad while he is being charged for sex crimes just because you are trans.
  - sonthonax 6y ago
    That's not what I'm trying to address. I said that I agree that deserves opprobrium! What I have trouble with, is the idea that it's somehow okay for the whole world to deliver it in the form of an ungoverned internet mob. Societies have limits to how much opprobrium you can receive. The reality is that she's probably getting tens of thousands of death threats. In most places you have an inalienable legal right to protection from such things.
    - Shivetya 6y ago
      I would say, if you are more than one level removed from the issue then you should be given consideration. If you are two or more levels removed then it should be not even on the RADAR However given she is directly connected to the person at hand by willful association after knowing the issue she pretty much deserves no exception. Frankly I could care less about her and more about how Reddit justifies hiring her knowing what they know about her. Maybe Reddit can sell dispensations in the form of hiring people.
    - Closi 6y ago
      What i mean is, your post seemed to imply that the opprobrium should be less because she is trans. I think it should be equal regardless of your gender identity.
      - sonthonax 6y ago
        I think it's fairly clear that she's receiving far more opprobrium because she is trans.
  - savingsPossible 6y ago
- jandrese 6y ago
  Technically most Reddit staff would have to say that they were associating with pedophiles if they were around while Ghislaine Maxwell was one of the biggest and most active admins on the site.
- bitcurious 6y ago
  > Does the world really stand to gain much exposing a fringe activist to the opprobrium of the entire world? In this case, the person being shamed for endorsing pedophilia was hired to manage a communities of children. She hired a child rapist, married an admitted pedophile, and now (as demonstrated by this incident) has the power to control what media many children are exposed to. I’ve no problem with her getting a job that doesn’t involve kids.
gaius_baltar 6y ago
> Maybe don't hire a known child rapist/torturer if you don't want to be hated. To manage her political campaign, that's the important part. Being a candidate for a public office _is_ justified reason for discussing a person's employees/employers/companies/taxes/PRs/whatever. I had no frakking idea on who she was until this, anyway.

LunarRover 6y ago

+1 the Linehan article is explicitly hateful. I think this is an attempt to defend her from that contravention of the hate speech policy, and is more cock-up than conspiracy IMO.

generalizations 6y ago
Conspiracy to hide a negative article? Could just be a cocked-up conspiracy.