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How is this not a blatant violation of FERPA?

by intpx 6y ago

CameronNemo 6y ago
That is what I was thinking too. Don't sue the police. They will get any data they can get their hands on. Sue the school system that is supposed to be helping these children.
- colpabar 6y ago
  >Don't sue the police >Sue the school system No. The article states that the school already lost grant funding because an organization didn't like what they were doing. I'd also be willing to bet the school is doing this due to lack of funding to begin with. Taking even more of their funding away would not help anything.
  - jawns 6y ago
    I think you can simultaneously support schools being better funded through legitimate avenues while rejecting the notion that underfunded schools should be able to sell students' private information to make money. This is not the only way the school can obtain adequate funding.
    - colpabar 6y ago
      I should have been more clear in my comment, but I am not saying I think it's ok that the school did this. I was suggesting that they could have done it in a desperate attempt for funding. But my main point is that you shouldn't sue schools, because you're just taking (your own) money away from students.
      - jawns 6y ago
        > my main point is that you shouldn't sue schools, because you're just taking (your own) money away from students I respectfully disagree. The ability to sue public institutions -- schools, police departments, cities, etc. -- when they do wrong is key to accountability. It is never the preferred way, but sometimes it's a legitimate last resort. I also would not characterize it as taking your own money away from students. If a man was going to buy his daughter an expensive birthday present, but he drives drunk and crashes into my house, I might sue him, and he might have to give me the money he was planning to use to buy the present. But have I deprived the girl of her present, or has he? In the same way, it is the public institutions, and their leaders, who are at fault if they conduct themselves in a way that leads to legal liabilities, not the victims who sue. The students who are deprived of resources as a result of those legal liabilities should blame the school administration, not the victims.
Someone1234 6y ago
I just took at look at the law itself[0], and at least my non-lawyer reading of it doesn't seem to permit this type of broad un-targeted sharing. They can get records for specific investigations or safety incidents, but there's nothing in it that allows law enforcement a dragnet. So I don't understand how the school system is giving the police direct access to a student's grades? Seems unlawful. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/20/1232g https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/20/1232g
mutagen 6y ago
It is a massive FERPA violation, according to the the following from a student privacy organization: https://studentprivacycompass.org/pasco/ https://studentprivacycompass.org/pasco/

How is this not a blatant violation of FERPA?

by intpx 6y ago

How is this not a blatant violation of FERPA?

That is what I was thinking too. Don't sue the police. They will get any data they can get their hands on. Sue the school system that is supposed to be helping these children.

colpabar 6y ago
>Don't sue the police >Sue the school system No. The article states that the school already lost grant funding because an organization didn't like what they were doing. I'd also be willing to bet the school is doing this due to lack of funding to begin with. Taking even more of their funding away would not help anything.
- jawns 6y ago
  I think you can simultaneously support schools being better funded through legitimate avenues while rejecting the notion that underfunded schools should be able to sell students' private information to make money. This is not the only way the school can obtain adequate funding.
  - colpabar 6y ago
    I should have been more clear in my comment, but I am not saying I think it's ok that the school did this. I was suggesting that they could have done it in a desperate attempt for funding. But my main point is that you shouldn't sue schools, because you're just taking (your own) money away from students.
    - jawns 6y ago
      > my main point is that you shouldn't sue schools, because you're just taking (your own) money away from students I respectfully disagree. The ability to sue public institutions -- schools, police departments, cities, etc. -- when they do wrong is key to accountability. It is never the preferred way, but sometimes it's a legitimate last resort. I also would not characterize it as taking your own money away from students. If a man was going to buy his daughter an expensive birthday present, but he drives drunk and crashes into my house, I might sue him, and he might have to give me the money he was planning to use to buy the present. But have I deprived the girl of her present, or has he? In the same way, it is the public institutions, and their leaders, who are at fault if they conduct themselves in a way that leads to legal liabilities, not the victims who sue. The students who are deprived of resources as a result of those legal liabilities should blame the school administration, not the victims.

Someone1234 6y ago

I just took at look at the law itself[0], and at least my non-lawyer reading of it doesn't seem to permit this type of broad un-targeted sharing. They can get records for specific investigations or safety incidents, but there's nothing in it that allows law enforcement a dragnet. So I don't understand how the school system is giving the police direct access to a student's grades? Seems unlawful. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/20/1232g https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/20/1232g

mutagen 6y ago

It is a massive FERPA violation, according to the the following from a student privacy organization: https://studentprivacycompass.org/pasco/ https://studentprivacycompass.org/pasco/