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You better hope that the judge handling your case doesn't stumble upon this comment thread. Your lack of Mens Rea isn't going to fly if you're caught meta-discu

You better hope that the judge handling your case doesn't stumble upon this comment thread. Your lack of Mens Rea isn't going to fly if you're caught meta-discussing the whole thing. Also, manslaughter?

mrkramer 6y ago
I'm not a lawyer but am I guilty because I want my human rights and my freedom of choice? Should I blame you or any other person of spreading STDs for example? Or any other disease without intent or knowledge? I welcome any legal advice because I have no INTENTION of HARMING anyone.
- rootusrootus 6y ago
  > I have no INTENTION of HARMING anyone. I feel the same way when I'm doing 150mph down the highway. And yet...
  - mrkramer 6y ago
    If you kill somebody you will be charged for involuntary manslaughter or constructive manslaughter depending on what speed limit was but if I sit next to you unvaccinated in a waiting room should I be charged as well?
    - Omnitaus 6y ago
      I mean if you're against vaccines, the best public health measure since soap, perhaps you're the weakest link we're begging natural selection to act on. Hope you don't use glasses, take antibiotics, receive surgery, or benefit otherwise from the million and one things humans have invented so as to not deal with random selection dependent on changing external stimuli
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      - mrkramer 6y ago
        >I mean if you're against vaccines, the best public health measure since soap, perhaps you're the weakest link we're begging natural selection to act on. I'm not against vaccination I'm against mandatory vaccination and limiting my human rights if I don't vaccinate. Nobody will prevent you from visiting a country if you don't use glasses, take antibiotics or anything else you mentioned. I never visited Africa but I heard there are some security measures regarding Malaria but c'mon forbidding someone to work or travel only because he or she didn't get vaccinated against 1 pathogen is over the top.
        selimthegrim 6y ago
        I guess you're against sovereignty of nations other than your own? Plus how are they going to buy your country's vaccine if you/your countrymen won't take it?
      - sunopener 6y ago
        > weakest link Oh boy, oh boy... at what point do we get to admit we're fascists?!?!
    - rootusrootus 6y ago
      Are you asking for an ethical opinion, or legal one? I am no lawyer, I have no idea if you could be on the hook for reckless endangerment. If you know that your choice is risky, and you fail to act, then there are circumstances when you could be criminally liable. But usually these are situations where the law prescribes a duty to act. Are you comfortable endangering those around you because protecting them is an inconvenient imposition on your freedom? That's an entirely different issue.
  - sunopener 6y ago
    You feel the same way when your having a conscious experience. There's no way I could hurt someone by being conscious... is there?
mrkramer 6y ago
And btw I understand what manslaughter is but again I'm not a lawyer. Refer me to any case or cases where someone is guilty of spreading a virus without intent(Involuntary).
- WJW 6y ago
  First google result: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/man-with-hiv-did-not-intentionally-have-unprotected-sex-1.3551360 https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit.... It's not difficult to find more examples. If you know or could reasonably suspect you have a lethal virus and still go out without taking proper precautions then that is absolutely something people have sued over many many times.
  - mrkramer 6y ago
    It is unclear whether defendant was aware of having a HIV. It seems like he had no intent of spreading a disease and had limited or no knowledge of having it. "I didn’t really do it intentionally but when we were drunk it ended up happening”." How the case ended?
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  Laws adopted in the course of the HIV pandemic in many jurisdictions made various acts that were more likely to spread the virus criminal if you knew you were infected unless other people put at risk were informed of the fact and consented to the risk, whether or not you intended to cause harm.

mrkramer 6y ago

I'm not a lawyer but am I guilty because I want my human rights and my freedom of choice? Should I blame you or any other person of spreading STDs for example? Or any other disease without intent or knowledge? I welcome any legal advice because I have no INTENTION of HARMING anyone.

rootusrootus 6y ago
> I have no INTENTION of HARMING anyone. I feel the same way when I'm doing 150mph down the highway. And yet...
- mrkramer 6y ago
  If you kill somebody you will be charged for involuntary manslaughter or constructive manslaughter depending on what speed limit was but if I sit next to you unvaccinated in a waiting room should I be charged as well?
  - Omnitaus 6y ago
    I mean if you're against vaccines, the best public health measure since soap, perhaps you're the weakest link we're begging natural selection to act on. Hope you don't use glasses, take antibiotics, receive surgery, or benefit otherwise from the million and one things humans have invented so as to not deal with random selection dependent on changing external stimuli
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    - mrkramer 6y ago
      >I mean if you're against vaccines, the best public health measure since soap, perhaps you're the weakest link we're begging natural selection to act on. I'm not against vaccination I'm against mandatory vaccination and limiting my human rights if I don't vaccinate. Nobody will prevent you from visiting a country if you don't use glasses, take antibiotics or anything else you mentioned. I never visited Africa but I heard there are some security measures regarding Malaria but c'mon forbidding someone to work or travel only because he or she didn't get vaccinated against 1 pathogen is over the top.
      - selimthegrim 6y ago
        I guess you're against sovereignty of nations other than your own? Plus how are they going to buy your country's vaccine if you/your countrymen won't take it?
    - sunopener 6y ago
      > weakest link Oh boy, oh boy... at what point do we get to admit we're fascists?!?!
  - rootusrootus 6y ago
    Are you asking for an ethical opinion, or legal one? I am no lawyer, I have no idea if you could be on the hook for reckless endangerment. If you know that your choice is risky, and you fail to act, then there are circumstances when you could be criminally liable. But usually these are situations where the law prescribes a duty to act. Are you comfortable endangering those around you because protecting them is an inconvenient imposition on your freedom? That's an entirely different issue.
- sunopener 6y ago
  You feel the same way when your having a conscious experience. There's no way I could hurt someone by being conscious... is there?

mrkramer 6y ago

And btw I understand what manslaughter is but again I'm not a lawyer. Refer me to any case or cases where someone is guilty of spreading a virus without intent(Involuntary).

WJW 6y ago
First google result: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/man-with-hiv-did-not-intentionally-have-unprotected-sex-1.3551360 https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit.... It's not difficult to find more examples. If you know or could reasonably suspect you have a lethal virus and still go out without taking proper precautions then that is absolutely something people have sued over many many times.
- mrkramer 6y ago
  It is unclear whether defendant was aware of having a HIV. It seems like he had no intent of spreading a disease and had limited or no knowledge of having it. "I didn’t really do it intentionally but when we were drunk it ended up happening”." How the case ended?
dragonwriter 6y ago
Laws adopted in the course of the HIV pandemic in many jurisdictions made various acts that were more likely to spread the virus criminal if you knew you were infected unless other people put at risk were informed of the fact and consented to the risk, whether or not you intended to cause harm.