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Tenoke 6y ago
Oh, I never saw this but like it! I occasionally note submissions that have been weighed up/down based on the karma/time of the posts surrounding them for fun.
nelsonmandela 6y ago
Do you have a theory for why they're being pushed off? Are these due to having keywords that are downweighted or sinister VC conflicts of interest? Seems like you're pretty interested in this
- Tenoke 6y ago
  I've gotten a reply or read a reply in some cases though it's usually done silently. Some cases are due to a topic being overly-popular and having too many front-page submissions and the most obvious ones. Some are from flagging. A lot of the other ones seem to be purely based on what dang (and other mods?) like and don't like. Possibly there's also pressure from YC or VCs, maybe not - I have no idea there. There's also much more up/down weighing than is captured here, some of it more minor. Overall, it's something of a myth that the front-page is mainly based on what the community is interested in - that's at most a secondary factor given the heavy curation and its effect over time.
  - nelsonmandela 6y ago
    I find it concerning that Greenwald's most recent article was flagged. https://greenwald.substack.com/p/how-do-big-media-outlets-so-often https://greenwald.substack.com/p/how-do-big-media-outlets-so... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26486997 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26486997 Flagged with 8 comments. Either a duplicate or dang has some explaining to do.
    - jakelazaroff 6y ago
      Flagging is done by users, not moderators: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12173836 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12173836 Frankly, I would flag basically anything by Glenn Greenwald. Even putting aside my personal feelings about him, it's basically guaranteed to result in a carbon copy of the same political flame wars we've all seen 1000 times. Sometimes the issue is just that people are bored of the same discussion over and over again.
      - nelsonmandela 6y ago
        Why wouldn't you just hide it or ignore it?
        jakelazaroff 6y ago
        Because I think having the same (mostly tribal) political discussion ad nauseum harms the community.
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        0-_-0 6y ago
        More optimistically, it allows the community to blow off steam in threads you don't read
        dang 6y ago
        Steam is not a good analogy. A better analogy is fire. Steam blows off, fire spreads.
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        ddalex 6y ago
- curtisblaine 6y ago
  Many reasons: users flagging, moderators manually removing from front page are the most common. I guess it's pretty normal given how HN works (anyone with a certain number of points can flag + active moderation), but I just find those "rejected" threads quite interesting, especially their comments section.
- treloon 6y ago
  > Do you have a theory for why they're being pushed off? Troids
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Tenoke 6y ago

Oh, I never saw this but like it! I occasionally note submissions that have been weighed up/down based on the karma/time of the posts surrounding them for fun.

nelsonmandela 6y ago

Do you have a theory for why they're being pushed off? Are these due to having keywords that are downweighted or sinister VC conflicts of interest? Seems like you're pretty interested in this

Tenoke 6y ago
I've gotten a reply or read a reply in some cases though it's usually done silently. Some cases are due to a topic being overly-popular and having too many front-page submissions and the most obvious ones. Some are from flagging. A lot of the other ones seem to be purely based on what dang (and other mods?) like and don't like. Possibly there's also pressure from YC or VCs, maybe not - I have no idea there. There's also much more up/down weighing than is captured here, some of it more minor. Overall, it's something of a myth that the front-page is mainly based on what the community is interested in - that's at most a secondary factor given the heavy curation and its effect over time.
- nelsonmandela 6y ago
  I find it concerning that Greenwald's most recent article was flagged. https://greenwald.substack.com/p/how-do-big-media-outlets-so-often https://greenwald.substack.com/p/how-do-big-media-outlets-so... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26486997 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26486997 Flagged with 8 comments. Either a duplicate or dang has some explaining to do.
  - jakelazaroff 6y ago
    Flagging is done by users, not moderators: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12173836 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12173836 Frankly, I would flag basically anything by Glenn Greenwald. Even putting aside my personal feelings about him, it's basically guaranteed to result in a carbon copy of the same political flame wars we've all seen 1000 times. Sometimes the issue is just that people are bored of the same discussion over and over again.
    - nelsonmandela 6y ago
      Why wouldn't you just hide it or ignore it?
      - jakelazaroff 6y ago
        Because I think having the same (mostly tribal) political discussion ad nauseum harms the community.
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        0-_-0 6y ago
        More optimistically, it allows the community to blow off steam in threads you don't read
        dang 6y ago
        Steam is not a good analogy. A better analogy is fire. Steam blows off, fire spreads.
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        [deleted]
        ddalex 6y ago
curtisblaine 6y ago
Many reasons: users flagging, moderators manually removing from front page are the most common. I guess it's pretty normal given how HN works (anyone with a certain number of points can flag + active moderation), but I just find those "rejected" threads quite interesting, especially their comments section.
treloon 6y ago
> Do you have a theory for why they're being pushed off? Troids

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