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Please get vaccinated, it's good for society and yourself.

by grumpwagon 6y ago

mrkramer 6y ago
I will if government requires it but it was not my free will.
- SketchySeaBeast 6y ago
  That would still be your free will. You'd still be presented with a choice: A) Don't do the thing you don't want to (Vaccination) - or - B) Don't do the thing that having a vaccination would let you do. That's still freedom of choice - you're free to decide what you want more. Having constraints on you isn't removing your free will.
  - gjs278 6y ago
    that’s barely freedom of choice. a robber pulling a gun on you and saying your money or your life isn’t what any reasonable person interprets as free will. free will would be not going to jail or being banned from society if you chose not to take the vaccine.
    - SketchySeaBeast 6y ago
      Is there any such discussion about being banned from society or going to jail? That seems incredibly hyperbolic. What I've heard is discussions of things like cruises and international travel to certain destination, which are entirely optional activities.
- guscost 6y ago
  Funny, I’m the opposite. I would have no significant reservations if it wasn’t for the creepy fascist vibe oozing from beneath the facade of “science”. As it stands, I’ll go to war today and die to guarantee my and your and everyone’s right to refuse, should TPTB actually try anything that stupid. Shouldn’t be a problem though, the people in favor seem to be mostly bullies making noise. They tend to shut up when you let them know that their only path forward is to start, and then try to win, a war.
  - anoonmoose 6y ago
    "I believe the vaccine works and I'll die for your right not to take it" is one hell of a take, and I'm just happy there really aren't that many of you out there. You may want to remove the link in your profile where you express skepticism that we'll hit millions of deaths worldwide, as it's going to make people question your already questionable viewpoints even more.
    - guscost 6y ago
      A wild bully appears! > skepticism that we’ll hit millions of deaths worldwide Here’s the exact quote from the blog, in case any bystanders suspect that this person might not be arguing in good faith: “Personally I don’t think that millions of healthy people will ever drop dead from one of these diseases in the space of a year, like they once did from a flu in 1918.” > I’m just happy there really aren’t that many of you out there. Should it come to the point where “dying for rights” is a real thing again (in America), I guess you’ll find out.
      - anoonmoose 6y ago
        Question- since there are plenty of vaccines that are already mandatory for various things in the US, shouldn't you already be dying for your rights?
        ghoward 6y ago
        Not the GP, but those laws are unconstitutional. If we don't assert our rights, we will lose them. "Those who will give up liberty for security [from a virus] will lose both."
        anoonmoose 6y ago
        not only are you not the GP, you also didn't and can't answer my question
        6y ago
ghoward 6y ago
Not the GP. Because society has accepted liability for vaccine injury (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Childhood_Vaccine_Injury_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Childhood_Vaccine_Inj... and https://www.medicallicenselawyers.com/blog/covid-19-vaccine-liability-the-prep-act-how-broad-are-the-protections https://www.medicallicenselawyers.com/blog/covid-19-vaccine-...), it seems to me that it would be good for society for me to make the best choice for myself about the vaccine. Since society will pay if I get hurt, it would be best for me to weigh that in the decision to get vaccinated.

Please get vaccinated, it's good for society and yourself.

mrkramer 6y ago

I will if government requires it but it was not my free will.

SketchySeaBeast 6y ago
That would still be your free will. You'd still be presented with a choice: A) Don't do the thing you don't want to (Vaccination) - or - B) Don't do the thing that having a vaccination would let you do. That's still freedom of choice - you're free to decide what you want more. Having constraints on you isn't removing your free will.
- gjs278 6y ago
  that’s barely freedom of choice. a robber pulling a gun on you and saying your money or your life isn’t what any reasonable person interprets as free will. free will would be not going to jail or being banned from society if you chose not to take the vaccine.
  - SketchySeaBeast 6y ago
    Is there any such discussion about being banned from society or going to jail? That seems incredibly hyperbolic. What I've heard is discussions of things like cruises and international travel to certain destination, which are entirely optional activities.
guscost 6y ago
Funny, I’m the opposite. I would have no significant reservations if it wasn’t for the creepy fascist vibe oozing from beneath the facade of “science”. As it stands, I’ll go to war today and die to guarantee my and your and everyone’s right to refuse, should TPTB actually try anything that stupid. Shouldn’t be a problem though, the people in favor seem to be mostly bullies making noise. They tend to shut up when you let them know that their only path forward is to start, and then try to win, a war.
- anoonmoose 6y ago
  "I believe the vaccine works and I'll die for your right not to take it" is one hell of a take, and I'm just happy there really aren't that many of you out there. You may want to remove the link in your profile where you express skepticism that we'll hit millions of deaths worldwide, as it's going to make people question your already questionable viewpoints even more.
  - guscost 6y ago
    A wild bully appears! > skepticism that we’ll hit millions of deaths worldwide Here’s the exact quote from the blog, in case any bystanders suspect that this person might not be arguing in good faith: “Personally I don’t think that millions of healthy people will ever drop dead from one of these diseases in the space of a year, like they once did from a flu in 1918.” > I’m just happy there really aren’t that many of you out there. Should it come to the point where “dying for rights” is a real thing again (in America), I guess you’ll find out.
    - anoonmoose 6y ago
      Question- since there are plenty of vaccines that are already mandatory for various things in the US, shouldn't you already be dying for your rights?
      - ghoward 6y ago
        Not the GP, but those laws are unconstitutional. If we don't assert our rights, we will lose them. "Those who will give up liberty for security [from a virus] will lose both."
        anoonmoose 6y ago
        not only are you not the GP, you also didn't and can't answer my question
        6y ago

ghoward 6y ago

Not the GP. Because society has accepted liability for vaccine injury (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Childhood_Vaccine_Injury_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Childhood_Vaccine_Inj... and https://www.medicallicenselawyers.com/blog/covid-19-vaccine-liability-the-prep-act-how-broad-are-the-protections https://www.medicallicenselawyers.com/blog/covid-19-vaccine-...), it seems to me that it would be good for society for me to make the best choice for myself about the vaccine. Since society will pay if I get hurt, it would be best for me to weigh that in the decision to get vaccinated.