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Indeed. It's hard to imagine people who could work basically anywhere in the world chooses to work for the company that has demonstrated they only care about mo

Indeed. It's hard to imagine people who could work basically anywhere in the world chooses to work for the company that has demonstrated they only care about money, don't care about its users and actively do more harm than good. I could understand people who started working for Facebook 10 years ago, before we knew the beast. But now, just a year ago start working for Facebook? I really wish we (engineers working in the software industry) could be more ethical inclined and stop caring about money so much.

gumby 6y ago
> actively do more harm than good I don’t believe this statement is axiomatic. There are literally billions of people who are happy to use it and get happiness from it. Yes it is also, fundamentally, spyware. I think the answer is more nuanced and I struggle to untease it. Consider that everyone who owns an internal combustion vehicle is knowingly implicit in poisoning the atmosphere. Most of them only care about money and don’t care about the atmosphere. Are they actively doing more harm than good? (FB is a large corp and doesn’t need defense from little old me. I’m pushing back though at the absolutism of your judgement)
dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago
We don't know the circumstances. Maybe he didn't have that many options, and needed money badly? It's easy to criticize people for their choices, but I always wonder what the critics would actually do in exactly the same circumstances. I personally am not so sure I can always justify my life choices as 100% ethically pure.
rangoon626 6y ago
Very easy to write this if you’ve already made it. Plenty of people haven’t, however. And while Facebook might not be the nicest place doing the best stuff for the world, we should not be disparaging developers for trying to better their situation unless you’re gonna go ahead and disparage every developer who ever worked at Facebook too.
slibhb 6y ago
You're begging the question. Not everyone shares your "facebook is evil" perspective yet your post assumes that we all agree about that.
- capableweb 6y ago
  Yeah, sorry, I do assume people have a base level of ethics and moral code :) If you're not part of the group, I understand my comment seems foreign.
  - fsociety 6y ago
    So instead of having a complex ethical and moral framework, you turn to dogma.
  - slibhb 6y ago
    People do not agree on ethical and moral questions. The assertion that everyone who disagrees with you is objectively wrong is childish and you should work on overcoming that :)
  - matz1 6y ago
    What would be reason to assume people have a the same ethics and moral code ?
  - bawolff 6y ago
    Is your base moral code to do what is popular? Because lets be real, this thread would not appear for any of the other companies that do the exact same thing but aren't currently in vouge to hate on.
  - kmonsen 6y ago
    Do you eat meat? Do you were clothes created in sweatshop? Do you use any cobalt mined in Congo? I believe all of those are far more evil than Facebook. Any TV you buy, any webpage you go to (not literally any, but more or less) sells your data as well. I understand that you, or most, might disagree with me. I do believe that is a matter of opinion.
mdpopescu 6y ago
Yeah, that's how I look at people who work for the gangs that killed 200 million people last century, and continue to do most of the killing even today. Most people call them governments and they find nothing wrong with working for them. People have different worldviews, news at 11.

gumby 6y ago

> actively do more harm than good I don’t believe this statement is axiomatic. There are literally billions of people who are happy to use it and get happiness from it. Yes it is also, fundamentally, spyware. I think the answer is more nuanced and I struggle to untease it. Consider that everyone who owns an internal combustion vehicle is knowingly implicit in poisoning the atmosphere. Most of them only care about money and don’t care about the atmosphere. Are they actively doing more harm than good? (FB is a large corp and doesn’t need defense from little old me. I’m pushing back though at the absolutism of your judgement)

dvfjsdhgfv 6y ago

We don't know the circumstances. Maybe he didn't have that many options, and needed money badly? It's easy to criticize people for their choices, but I always wonder what the critics would actually do in exactly the same circumstances. I personally am not so sure I can always justify my life choices as 100% ethically pure.

rangoon626 6y ago

Very easy to write this if you’ve already made it. Plenty of people haven’t, however. And while Facebook might not be the nicest place doing the best stuff for the world, we should not be disparaging developers for trying to better their situation unless you’re gonna go ahead and disparage every developer who ever worked at Facebook too.

slibhb 6y ago

You're begging the question. Not everyone shares your "facebook is evil" perspective yet your post assumes that we all agree about that.

capableweb 6y ago
Yeah, sorry, I do assume people have a base level of ethics and moral code :) If you're not part of the group, I understand my comment seems foreign.
- fsociety 6y ago
  So instead of having a complex ethical and moral framework, you turn to dogma.
- slibhb 6y ago
  People do not agree on ethical and moral questions. The assertion that everyone who disagrees with you is objectively wrong is childish and you should work on overcoming that :)
- matz1 6y ago
  What would be reason to assume people have a the same ethics and moral code ?
- bawolff 6y ago
  Is your base moral code to do what is popular? Because lets be real, this thread would not appear for any of the other companies that do the exact same thing but aren't currently in vouge to hate on.
- kmonsen 6y ago
  Do you eat meat? Do you were clothes created in sweatshop? Do you use any cobalt mined in Congo? I believe all of those are far more evil than Facebook. Any TV you buy, any webpage you go to (not literally any, but more or less) sells your data as well. I understand that you, or most, might disagree with me. I do believe that is a matter of opinion.

mdpopescu 6y ago

Yeah, that's how I look at people who work for the gangs that killed 200 million people last century, and continue to do most of the killing even today. Most people call them governments and they find nothing wrong with working for them. People have different worldviews, news at 11.