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The reason there's so much skepticism of public health authorities is because they repeatedly mislead the public. Right now, for example, Dr Fauci tells people

The reason there's so much skepticism of public health authorities is because they repeatedly mislead the public. Right now, for example, Dr Fauci tells people who have been vaccinated to wear two masks. That's because he wants the unvaccinated to keep wearing theirs, lest they see others without masks. But it's nonsense and lay people know it. So they see this and think Fauci is mad, deceptive, or something else that can't be a reason to trust him. And that's how public health figures lose the trust of the public and create millions of skeptics of vaccines, masks, social distancing, etc.

ceejayoz 6y ago
No, the double masking recommendation comes from studies performed that demonstrate a better fit, especially with the cloth masks that are in widespread use. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7007e1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7007e1.htm Don't get mad at Fauci over a personal lack of information.
- faucismasks 6y ago
  You missed the point. Why does Fauci care about the fit of his masks if the vaccine he took is effective? It's not about what the CDC recommends: if Fauci has faith in the vaccine, why is he personally walking around with two masks on? He should take them off to inspire confidence in the vaccine but... Something must be stopping him. Either there's something he doesn't trust about the vaccine or he thinks there's some other reason he and others should go on wearing masks after being vaccinated. Little people like me must not be privy to that info. All I know is I don't trust him ;)
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    Because while we have conclusive data that states "the vaccine will keep you out of the hospital", we do not yet have the data that lets us conclusively say "you can't get and spread the virus if you're vaccinated". Israel's data thus far looks promising (https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-israel-vaccine-int/israeli-studies-find-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-reduces-transmission-idUSKBN2AJ08J https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-israel-va...), but they're being careful because they don't yet know for certain. Again, "I don't know the answer" isn't the same as "there is no answer".
    - faucismasks 6y ago
      Wrong, according to Fauci when pressed by Dr Rand Paul MD on this, Fauci said it's because we don't know how well the vaccine works against variants So no that's not why he's wearing two masks, he obviously doesn't trust the vaccine to protect him, said it himself. It was a rhetorical question that I posed. Get informed about what your insane leaders are telling you to do and why. You want to lecture me about CDC guidance or being uninformed and you don't even know the incident I was referencing in my original post. Fauci will probably never stop wearing the masks because there will always be something he could catch. There will always be more variants.
- peytn 6y ago
  From that article: > The findings of these simulations should neither be generalized to the effectiveness of all medical procedure masks or cloths masks nor interpreted as being representative of the effectiveness of these masks when worn in real-world settings. I think complaints are justified when CDC officials turn around and do exactly what their report says not to do: interpret the findings as being representative of real-world settings. A year in and with trillions spent, our evidentiary standard should be higher.
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    How, exactly, are you proposing we get the data on "real-world settings" without trying out the approach that's been lab-validated? Barring evidence in the "this might be dangerous" direction, those lab results certainly appear to support recommending people adopt the practice. Turning this sort of CYA language that's standard in medical research into a scary gotcha is exactly the sort of propaganda the anti-vax folks engage in all the time.
    - peytn 6y ago
      I believe clinical trials are the gold-standard mechanism by which specific questions about interventions may be answered. I’m not pointing out a “scary gotcha.” I’m pointing out an omission identified in the linked work.
      - ceejayoz 6y ago
        Lab confirmation of double masking can be performed in an afternoon. A clinical trial is going to take tens of thousands of self-reporting "I wore two" people for months or longer, plus difficulties with all sorts of confounding variables. I'm very comfortable with a tentative recommendation based on the lab data for a non-dangerous intervention. If we get observational data a year from now confirming it, even better.
        peytn 6y ago
        Then you are more comfortable than I with unreviewed reports from government scientists a year into a declared state of emergency. That’s okay.
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ceejayoz 6y ago

No, the double masking recommendation comes from studies performed that demonstrate a better fit, especially with the cloth masks that are in widespread use. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7007e1.htm https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7007e1.htm Don't get mad at Fauci over a personal lack of information.

faucismasks 6y ago
You missed the point. Why does Fauci care about the fit of his masks if the vaccine he took is effective? It's not about what the CDC recommends: if Fauci has faith in the vaccine, why is he personally walking around with two masks on? He should take them off to inspire confidence in the vaccine but... Something must be stopping him. Either there's something he doesn't trust about the vaccine or he thinks there's some other reason he and others should go on wearing masks after being vaccinated. Little people like me must not be privy to that info. All I know is I don't trust him ;)
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  Because while we have conclusive data that states "the vaccine will keep you out of the hospital", we do not yet have the data that lets us conclusively say "you can't get and spread the virus if you're vaccinated". Israel's data thus far looks promising (https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-israel-vaccine-int/israeli-studies-find-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-reduces-transmission-idUSKBN2AJ08J https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-israel-va...), but they're being careful because they don't yet know for certain. Again, "I don't know the answer" isn't the same as "there is no answer".
  - faucismasks 6y ago
    Wrong, according to Fauci when pressed by Dr Rand Paul MD on this, Fauci said it's because we don't know how well the vaccine works against variants So no that's not why he's wearing two masks, he obviously doesn't trust the vaccine to protect him, said it himself. It was a rhetorical question that I posed. Get informed about what your insane leaders are telling you to do and why. You want to lecture me about CDC guidance or being uninformed and you don't even know the incident I was referencing in my original post. Fauci will probably never stop wearing the masks because there will always be something he could catch. There will always be more variants.
peytn 6y ago
From that article: > The findings of these simulations should neither be generalized to the effectiveness of all medical procedure masks or cloths masks nor interpreted as being representative of the effectiveness of these masks when worn in real-world settings. I think complaints are justified when CDC officials turn around and do exactly what their report says not to do: interpret the findings as being representative of real-world settings. A year in and with trillions spent, our evidentiary standard should be higher.
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  How, exactly, are you proposing we get the data on "real-world settings" without trying out the approach that's been lab-validated? Barring evidence in the "this might be dangerous" direction, those lab results certainly appear to support recommending people adopt the practice. Turning this sort of CYA language that's standard in medical research into a scary gotcha is exactly the sort of propaganda the anti-vax folks engage in all the time.
  - peytn 6y ago
    I believe clinical trials are the gold-standard mechanism by which specific questions about interventions may be answered. I’m not pointing out a “scary gotcha.” I’m pointing out an omission identified in the linked work.
    - ceejayoz 6y ago
      Lab confirmation of double masking can be performed in an afternoon. A clinical trial is going to take tens of thousands of self-reporting "I wore two" people for months or longer, plus difficulties with all sorts of confounding variables. I'm very comfortable with a tentative recommendation based on the lab data for a non-dangerous intervention. If we get observational data a year from now confirming it, even better.
      - peytn 6y ago
        Then you are more comfortable than I with unreviewed reports from government scientists a year into a declared state of emergency. That’s okay.

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