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I'm not sure that would be such a bad thing. I'm more worried that the free speech issues would get worse though.

by nvoid 6y ago

kayodelycaon 6y ago
I happen to write erotica and be on a number of Discord servers that have adult artwork. Having Microsoft purge all adult content from Discord would destroy entire communities of people who are doing no harm to other people. American attitudes towards pornography really irk me. It's just as much free speech as any other speech.
- ttt0 6y ago
  > American attitudes towards pornography really irk me. It's just as much free speech as any other speech. First, it's not just Americans. Second, it's not free speech and it never was. People who came up with free speech supported obscenity laws. The main purpose of free speech is to ensure that you can criticize the people in power.
  - kayodelycaon 6y ago
    Obscenity laws started in 1873. Well after the Constitution. The Supreme Court has steadily pushed the bar higher since it was created.
    - ttt0 6y ago
      And since when do we have pornography as we know it right now? I'm almost 100% sure that if you went back in time and showed them furry porn, you'd be thrown in prison. If you're lucky.
      - kayodelycaon 6y ago
        Regardless of moving goal posts, I don't buy this argument. If we went back in the last century, they'd throw me in an asylum for being bipolar. Heck, I'd probably be forcibly sterilized due to the US being the first country to support and implement eugenics. Violations of civil liberties in the US have always existed to great extremes.
- nvoid 6y ago
  > doing no harm to other people This is not true. It gives children a false impression of what sex is like in reality. I don't need a scientific paper to tell me that children looking at this stuff is bad. The rise in the number of incelibates around the world is dangerous and it must be due to the wide availability of pron. Just take a look at what's happening in Japan. Parents who don't want their children viewing this kind of thing can't block all the 18+ discord servers. (Although I personally don't think kids should be using Discord given the amount of grooming that goes on).
  - swat535 6y ago
    Yet another think of the children argument here. Should we also purge all graphic gaming content from discord and ban action movies because they give a false impression of what real world is like? Further it’s the parents job to supervise their children and not the corporation. In addition one would think that your little 10 year old shouldn’t be playing GTA 5 on discord in the first place and that is more disturbing than seeing a naked boob. American’s attitude towards sexuality and nudity is quite conservative if you ask me.
    - ttt0 6y ago
      "Think of the children" is a valid argument. I don't know if there are more in-depth studies, but this study hints that the average age of first exposure to porn is at around 13 years old and the youngest being 5: https://archive.is/PfJd9#selection-429.17-429.66 https://archive.is/PfJd9#selection-429.17-429.66 We've taught children myths, legends and now cartoons and comic book heroes for centuries, that is fine. What isn't fine is exposing them to pornography at such young age. When you're addicted to pornography you progressively seek more and more hardcore stuff, as anything milder doesn't do the trick anymore. If you want a population full of sex offenders, then go ahead.
      - kayodelycaon 6y ago
        In the US, the rates of sexual violence and violence in general has been decreasing year over year despite the estimated reporting percentage of rape increasing. If anything, the accessibility of pornography is reducing violence.
- LinuxBender 6y ago
  As a precaution, you may want to set up fallback servers on either Matrix or set up your own Mumble server and make a web page describing how to use them ahead of time. Such things may prove useful in the event that Microsoft has Discord outages.
  - kayodelycaon 6y ago
    Unfortunately, I don't own the servers and it is highly unlikely people will move to either of those services. Right now, one of the communities I'm in is split between Telegram and Discord. We had a Slack server for many, many years and no one would use it, no matter how hard we pushed. Moving Slack to Discord was a roaring success. We still have more people on Telegram despite moving all official activities to Discord.
    - LinuxBender 6y ago
      For sure, I have had similar experiences. The only time people would use servers I hosted was if Discord/other were down hard. I am only suggesting it as a precaution so you don't lose track of your community. Another option may be a mailing list so that your community can at least stay in touch if MS disband all communities that have adult themes.

I'm not sure that would be such a bad thing. I'm more worried that the free speech issues would get worse though.

by nvoid 6y ago

I'm not sure that would be such a bad thing. I'm more worried that the free speech issues would get worse though.

I happen to write erotica and be on a number of Discord servers that have adult artwork. Having Microsoft purge all adult content from Discord would destroy entire communities of people who are doing no harm to other people. American attitudes towards pornography really irk me. It's just as much free speech as any other speech.

ttt0 6y ago
> American attitudes towards pornography really irk me. It's just as much free speech as any other speech. First, it's not just Americans. Second, it's not free speech and it never was. People who came up with free speech supported obscenity laws. The main purpose of free speech is to ensure that you can criticize the people in power.
- kayodelycaon 6y ago
  Obscenity laws started in 1873. Well after the Constitution. The Supreme Court has steadily pushed the bar higher since it was created.
  - ttt0 6y ago
    And since when do we have pornography as we know it right now? I'm almost 100% sure that if you went back in time and showed them furry porn, you'd be thrown in prison. If you're lucky.
    - kayodelycaon 6y ago
      Regardless of moving goal posts, I don't buy this argument. If we went back in the last century, they'd throw me in an asylum for being bipolar. Heck, I'd probably be forcibly sterilized due to the US being the first country to support and implement eugenics. Violations of civil liberties in the US have always existed to great extremes.
nvoid 6y ago
> doing no harm to other people This is not true. It gives children a false impression of what sex is like in reality. I don't need a scientific paper to tell me that children looking at this stuff is bad. The rise in the number of incelibates around the world is dangerous and it must be due to the wide availability of pron. Just take a look at what's happening in Japan. Parents who don't want their children viewing this kind of thing can't block all the 18+ discord servers. (Although I personally don't think kids should be using Discord given the amount of grooming that goes on).
- swat535 6y ago
  Yet another think of the children argument here. Should we also purge all graphic gaming content from discord and ban action movies because they give a false impression of what real world is like? Further it’s the parents job to supervise their children and not the corporation. In addition one would think that your little 10 year old shouldn’t be playing GTA 5 on discord in the first place and that is more disturbing than seeing a naked boob. American’s attitude towards sexuality and nudity is quite conservative if you ask me.
  - ttt0 6y ago
    "Think of the children" is a valid argument. I don't know if there are more in-depth studies, but this study hints that the average age of first exposure to porn is at around 13 years old and the youngest being 5: https://archive.is/PfJd9#selection-429.17-429.66 https://archive.is/PfJd9#selection-429.17-429.66 We've taught children myths, legends and now cartoons and comic book heroes for centuries, that is fine. What isn't fine is exposing them to pornography at such young age. When you're addicted to pornography you progressively seek more and more hardcore stuff, as anything milder doesn't do the trick anymore. If you want a population full of sex offenders, then go ahead.
    - kayodelycaon 6y ago
      In the US, the rates of sexual violence and violence in general has been decreasing year over year despite the estimated reporting percentage of rape increasing. If anything, the accessibility of pornography is reducing violence.
LinuxBender 6y ago
As a precaution, you may want to set up fallback servers on either Matrix or set up your own Mumble server and make a web page describing how to use them ahead of time. Such things may prove useful in the event that Microsoft has Discord outages.
- kayodelycaon 6y ago
  Unfortunately, I don't own the servers and it is highly unlikely people will move to either of those services. Right now, one of the communities I'm in is split between Telegram and Discord. We had a Slack server for many, many years and no one would use it, no matter how hard we pushed. Moving Slack to Discord was a roaring success. We still have more people on Telegram despite moving all official activities to Discord.
  - LinuxBender 6y ago
    For sure, I have had similar experiences. The only time people would use servers I hosted was if Discord/other were down hard. I am only suggesting it as a precaution so you don't lose track of your community. Another option may be a mailing list so that your community can at least stay in touch if MS disband all communities that have adult themes.