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Sorry, hospitals in Poland started filling up with younger people. Virus mutates and if it can't infect elderly it will infect younger and does. Median age of

by krzyk 6y ago

Sorry, hospitals in Poland started filling up with younger people. Virus mutates and if it can't infect elderly it will infect younger and does. Median age of hospitalized people is getting lower and we will soon see that vaccinating elderly wasn't the best choice (they don't spread COVID that much - don't take part in waves, are just victims to those).

scrollaway 6y ago
Vaccines reduce but do not stop the spread, there is little evidence that vaccinating spreaders first would help much. And median age of hospitalizations going down is a good thing lol. It means the vaccines are doing their job. Look at death rates and instances of severe illness per infection, those should be going down as well: the disease is less harmful if its highest risk groups are vaccinated. (Are people here really having this hard of a time with basic statistics?)
- svara 6y ago
  > (Are people here really having this hard of a time with basic statistics?) No, no one is disagreeing with the narrow point you're making that protecting the oldest leads to fewer bad outcomes given equal numbers of infections. But that's just one part of the story. In most of the EU, most people have not yet been exposed, so the pandemic will need to be ended by vaccination. The situation now is treacherous, since it may initially seem like hospitalizations don't track infections like they used to. But if the conclusion from that is to just open up, nothing will be gained. This is clearly borne out by both complex models and back of the envelope calculations. And that's ignoring that there are health issues other than death to consider...
- krzyk 6y ago
  OK, maybe it is not obvious. Number of hospitalized young people is higher than it was in Autumn (with similar number of infections). Number of elderly obviously is smaller (because vaccinations). Besides hospitalizations of younger population, their outcome is also worse - ratio of severe illness to mild is higher than it was before. This is a trade-off, who should live, or how miserable the life of those that survive will be.
  - scrollaway 6y ago
    How much of this is due to the B117 variant in your country? I haven't looked at stats in poland but there is a counter-acting effect from that as the variant is outright more lethal and spreads more easily. Here in Belgium, for what it's worth, the vaccines still outrun the variant but I could see it being different for other countries.
    - krzyk 6y ago
      B117 was at 60% new cases two weeks ago.
  - krzyk 6y ago
    One more thing, besides younger people (there are a lot of people in their their thirties). A children (< 18 year olds) wards in hospitals in second larges city are full (number of released patients = newly added). Yes, children - those that wre mostly asymptomatic stopped being asymptomatic.

by krzyk 6y ago

scrollaway 6y ago

Vaccines reduce but do not stop the spread, there is little evidence that vaccinating spreaders first would help much. And median age of hospitalizations going down is a good thing lol. It means the vaccines are doing their job. Look at death rates and instances of severe illness per infection, those should be going down as well: the disease is less harmful if its highest risk groups are vaccinated. (Are people here really having this hard of a time with basic statistics?)

svara 6y ago
> (Are people here really having this hard of a time with basic statistics?) No, no one is disagreeing with the narrow point you're making that protecting the oldest leads to fewer bad outcomes given equal numbers of infections. But that's just one part of the story. In most of the EU, most people have not yet been exposed, so the pandemic will need to be ended by vaccination. The situation now is treacherous, since it may initially seem like hospitalizations don't track infections like they used to. But if the conclusion from that is to just open up, nothing will be gained. This is clearly borne out by both complex models and back of the envelope calculations. And that's ignoring that there are health issues other than death to consider...
krzyk 6y ago
OK, maybe it is not obvious. Number of hospitalized young people is higher than it was in Autumn (with similar number of infections). Number of elderly obviously is smaller (because vaccinations). Besides hospitalizations of younger population, their outcome is also worse - ratio of severe illness to mild is higher than it was before. This is a trade-off, who should live, or how miserable the life of those that survive will be.
- scrollaway 6y ago
  How much of this is due to the B117 variant in your country? I haven't looked at stats in poland but there is a counter-acting effect from that as the variant is outright more lethal and spreads more easily. Here in Belgium, for what it's worth, the vaccines still outrun the variant but I could see it being different for other countries.
  - krzyk 6y ago
    B117 was at 60% new cases two weeks ago.
- krzyk 6y ago
  One more thing, besides younger people (there are a lot of people in their their thirties). A children (< 18 year olds) wards in hospitals in second larges city are full (number of released patients = newly added). Yes, children - those that wre mostly asymptomatic stopped being asymptomatic.