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> Real physical art is unique in the vast majority of cases Forgeries are a thing, thus "authentication" > NFT's do literally nothing to authenticate a physic

> Real physical art is unique in the vast majority of cases Forgeries are a thing, thus "authentication" > NFT's do literally nothing to authenticate a physical object anyways What does? If I got some kind of physical object that came with a physical piece of paper that says "This is totally legit" how is that any different?

insert_coin 6y ago
There is no way, other than to actually watch the artist make the art piece in front of you and with no trickery to make sure something is in fact the original. When you realize that you'll understand why NFTs make no sense. Authentication is just the process of other people putting their reputation on the line to claim something is in fact what it claims to be; it is not absolute proof of anything. Authentication is not the word of god.
lifeformed 6y ago
Because you're buying it for the object, not the peice of paper.
phs318u 6y ago
Forgeries have been a thing yes. And many were so good that they fooled (and continue to fool) some of the foremost experts on particular types of art/artists, for years and years. And then an advance in a technique may mean the forgery is unmasked many years later. For a moment, let's leave aside digital art (NFT's have a role there). There is no way at all that an NFT can be reasonably "tethered" to a specific physical object in order to prove its authenticity. None as far as I understand it. Therefore, what's to stop me from creating a forgery a decade later (say for some art that's disappeared into a private collection), and claiming that the NFT relates to that? How does the NFT prove anything at all other than at a point in time, the actual artist used a digital signature to sign a ... a what? How do you create a digital representation of a physical object that you can tie to a specific object? It's not the signing that does it. And if we knew the answer, we wouldn't need NFT's in the first place. Let's say that the thing that the NFT signs, is a document of the provenance of the physical art. So? Experts get it wrong and provenance can be faked. The best thing that we've got that authenticates the physical art is the analysis and expertise that goes into its assessment - even though those assessments are occasionally wrong. They can in future be corrected. What does an NFT add to this?
stephen_g 6y ago
I can't tell if you're disagreeing or agreeing with the poster you've responded to. You both seem to have made arguments for why the NFT is useless in either scenario?
crazygringo 6y ago
> What does? ...how is that any different? That's exactly my point. NFT's aren't any different from the scraps of paper used today. I'm confused because by your tone it seems like you're disagreeing with me, but by what you're actually saying you're completely agreeing with me?

insert_coin 6y ago

There is no way, other than to actually watch the artist make the art piece in front of you and with no trickery to make sure something is in fact the original. When you realize that you'll understand why NFTs make no sense. Authentication is just the process of other people putting their reputation on the line to claim something is in fact what it claims to be; it is not absolute proof of anything. Authentication is not the word of god.

lifeformed 6y ago

Because you're buying it for the object, not the peice of paper.

phs318u 6y ago

Forgeries have been a thing yes. And many were so good that they fooled (and continue to fool) some of the foremost experts on particular types of art/artists, for years and years. And then an advance in a technique may mean the forgery is unmasked many years later. For a moment, let's leave aside digital art (NFT's have a role there). There is no way at all that an NFT can be reasonably "tethered" to a specific physical object in order to prove its authenticity. None as far as I understand it. Therefore, what's to stop me from creating a forgery a decade later (say for some art that's disappeared into a private collection), and claiming that the NFT relates to that? How does the NFT prove anything at all other than at a point in time, the actual artist used a digital signature to sign a ... a what? How do you create a digital representation of a physical object that you can tie to a specific object? It's not the signing that does it. And if we knew the answer, we wouldn't need NFT's in the first place. Let's say that the thing that the NFT signs, is a document of the provenance of the physical art. So? Experts get it wrong and provenance can be faked. The best thing that we've got that authenticates the physical art is the analysis and expertise that goes into its assessment - even though those assessments are occasionally wrong. They can in future be corrected. What does an NFT add to this?

stephen_g 6y ago

I can't tell if you're disagreeing or agreeing with the poster you've responded to. You both seem to have made arguments for why the NFT is useless in either scenario?

crazygringo 6y ago

> What does? ...how is that any different? That's exactly my point. NFT's aren't any different from the scraps of paper used today. I'm confused because by your tone it seems like you're disagreeing with me, but by what you're actually saying you're completely agreeing with me?