Yup. One of the reasons I still tolerate the obtuse GUI of HomeSeer is it's 100% local to me, yet can also still interface with a few proprietary cloud bits I

Yup. One of the reasons I still tolerate the obtuse GUI of HomeSeer is it's 100% local to me, yet can also still interface with a few proprietary cloud bits I fell for like Nest's thermostats. Never again. I only have a couple of cloud controlled devices but never again - I'll either have something that can be controlled without any reliance on the cloud whatsoever or I'll just continue to go without that thing being automated. I really can't think of anything that would not be automatable without the cloud