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FreeBSD

by yepthatsreality 6y ago

FreeBSD

rattray 6y ago
With VM's for local development? What to use for ensuring the right package versions are installed etc? Terraform?
- bojo 6y ago
  I believe they were alluding to jails as the alternative here.
  - rattray 6y ago
    Docker solves a lot of problems. I don't want to use it, but I want an easy, cohesive to all those problems! Like, each type of application I have to run in my fleet needs the right environment, with proper settings, packages, etc. And when a developer at the company needs to work on that service locally, they need a prod-like env spun up quickly and simply that they can easily work in. There's many ways to do this, like "one prod box and ssh" but they all have tradeoffs...
    - bojo 6y ago
      My team uses https://www.chef.io/products/chef-habitat/ https://www.chef.io/products/chef-habitat/ to solve what you explained there. Worth taking the time to go through if you want repeatable builds, runtimes, and environments (be they bare metal, VM, or even docker).
purerandomness 6y ago
I'd honestly love to. Is there a file format like "docker-compose.yml", where I can describe a handful of Jails that can talk to each other in their own virtual network, and that sets up a handful of services exactly as I describe? Ideally, a Windows user, a Linux user and a Mac OS user check out this file, run a command ("voodoo up") in the directory of that file, and have a VM with the FreeBSD jails setup running exactly as described in the file. I'd pay money for that.
- rattray 6y ago
  This does sound kind of awesome
- yepthatsreality 6y ago
  I agree a compositional/coordination cli tool is needed. However here are a few options: - FreeBSD style jails already offer docker config, but here is an article showing a few basic things going on, notably the Network Access section has a FIXME by it: https://bsdwatch.net/articles/jails-as-virtual-servers https://bsdwatch.net/articles/jails-as-virtual-servers - For network isolation it looks like this package could help: https://klarasystems.com/articles/virtualize-your-network-on-freebsd-with-vnet/ https://klarasystems.com/articles/virtualize-your-network-on... - For reproducibility you can use the FreeBSD package builder: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/ports/#ports-poudriere https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/ports/#ports-poud... - FreeBSD has a Linux compatibility layer. FreeBSD running Docker: https://www.gamsjager.nl/2019/01/11/How-to-run-Docker-on-FreeBSD-12/ https://www.gamsjager.nl/2019/01/11/How-to-run-Docker-on-Fre... - This thread is interesting: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/docker-is-dead.69955/page-1 https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/docker-is-dead.69955/page... I am going to explore this more in the coming weeks as I play around with FreeBSD.

FreeBSD

rattray 6y ago

With VM's for local development? What to use for ensuring the right package versions are installed etc? Terraform?

bojo 6y ago
I believe they were alluding to jails as the alternative here.
- rattray 6y ago
  Docker solves a lot of problems. I don't want to use it, but I want an easy, cohesive to all those problems! Like, each type of application I have to run in my fleet needs the right environment, with proper settings, packages, etc. And when a developer at the company needs to work on that service locally, they need a prod-like env spun up quickly and simply that they can easily work in. There's many ways to do this, like "one prod box and ssh" but they all have tradeoffs...
  - bojo 6y ago
    My team uses https://www.chef.io/products/chef-habitat/ https://www.chef.io/products/chef-habitat/ to solve what you explained there. Worth taking the time to go through if you want repeatable builds, runtimes, and environments (be they bare metal, VM, or even docker).

purerandomness 6y ago

I'd honestly love to. Is there a file format like "docker-compose.yml", where I can describe a handful of Jails that can talk to each other in their own virtual network, and that sets up a handful of services exactly as I describe? Ideally, a Windows user, a Linux user and a Mac OS user check out this file, run a command ("voodoo up") in the directory of that file, and have a VM with the FreeBSD jails setup running exactly as described in the file. I'd pay money for that.

rattray 6y ago
This does sound kind of awesome
yepthatsreality 6y ago
I agree a compositional/coordination cli tool is needed. However here are a few options: - FreeBSD style jails already offer docker config, but here is an article showing a few basic things going on, notably the Network Access section has a FIXME by it: https://bsdwatch.net/articles/jails-as-virtual-servers https://bsdwatch.net/articles/jails-as-virtual-servers - For network isolation it looks like this package could help: https://klarasystems.com/articles/virtualize-your-network-on-freebsd-with-vnet/ https://klarasystems.com/articles/virtualize-your-network-on... - For reproducibility you can use the FreeBSD package builder: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/ports/#ports-poudriere https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/ports/#ports-poud... - FreeBSD has a Linux compatibility layer. FreeBSD running Docker: https://www.gamsjager.nl/2019/01/11/How-to-run-Docker-on-FreeBSD-12/ https://www.gamsjager.nl/2019/01/11/How-to-run-Docker-on-Fre... - This thread is interesting: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/docker-is-dead.69955/page-1 https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/docker-is-dead.69955/page... I am going to explore this more in the coming weeks as I play around with FreeBSD.