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>Whichever country is contractually at the front of the line will have their order fulfilled first/according to the terms of the contracts. Tell that to Canada

>Whichever country is contractually at the front of the line will have their order fulfilled first/according to the terms of the contracts. Tell that to Canada. They were securing doses from day one and still suffered from delayed shipments and now have to contend with countries of manufacture forbidding export. What really pisses me off is that the US Gov had 30 million doses of Astra for several months and it it isn't even approved for use. Why hoard it when you can save lives in other countries while you have no intention of using it soon if ever? Sure they might get their approval in May or June but by then I expect the other manufacturers to have ramped up to cover everyone everywhere.

plank_time 6y ago
Sorry but this is a lie. Canada put all their eggs in the CanSino vaccine even though they knew they had a bad relationship with China. This summer China conveniently blocked all progress and Canada was left scrambling. Blame Trudeau not the US.
- throwaway894345 6y ago
  I don’t think this is true? I recall an infographie from before vaccines had been deployed anywhere which showed where all of the countries were sourcing their vaccines from, in what quantities, etc, and I believe Canada was buying all sorts of vaccines so they would have much redundancy in case problems arose with any of them.
- Waterluvian 6y ago
  This does not resemble truth. Canada bought in to a ton of vaccines. Something like 6 doses per Canadian worth.
- jeromegv 6y ago
  You are lying. Canada has ordered 7 times the amount of population. From different manufacturers. You’re making things up. Biggest problem of Canada? There’s no local manufacture. And yes you can blame the liberals for that. Your anti Chinese talking point is not based in facts.
  - plank_time 6y ago
    Only after the deal with CanSino fell through. That’s why Canada doesn’t have enough vaccine right now. And won’t have enough for months and months.
    - vkou 6y ago
      The deals closed after the CanSino deal fell through. Canada didn't sit around, waiting for it to fall through, before negotiating the others. Securing multiple sources of vaccine from independent providers was always the government's plan. But because the first of those four deals fell through (and because the countries manufacturing vaccines bought in other deals are prioritizing their domestic markets), politicians of all party affiliations now have an excuse to grouse.
- hourislate 6y ago
  It's silly making comments like that when a simple Google search proves I'm not lying. Article https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/canada-locks-in-20m-more-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-doses-to-arrive-this-spring-1.5263452 https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/canada-locks-in-20... After securing 20 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine, they exercised an option in early Jan 2021 for another 20 million. Article https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2020/12/16/why-did-justin-trudeau-preorder-so-much-covid-19-vaccine-he-says-he-learned-from-his-earlier-mistake.html https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2020/12/16/why-did-... Canada has purchased 40 million doses from Moderna, and expects delivery of up to 168,000 doses before the end of December 2020 Article https://nationalpost.com/news/world/canada-the-biggest-hoarder-of-covid-19-vaccine-pre-orders-in-first-world-ngos-say https://nationalpost.com/news/world/canada-the-biggest-hoard... Canada the biggest hoarder of COVID-19 vaccine pre-orders in First World, NGOs say
  - plank_time 6y ago
    I suggest you yourself do a google search to uncover the truth. Canada only bought doses from other companies after CanSino fell through in summer 2020 putting them at the back of the line. https://nationalpost.com/news/moderna-chairman-says-canada-near-head-of-line-for-20-million-vaccine-doses https://nationalpost.com/news/moderna-chairman-says-canada-n... “ Early last year, Canada also signed an agreement with Chinese vaccine-maker CanSino for a vaccine trial, but that deal fell apart. CanSino had initially agreed to bring its vaccine candidate to Canada for testing.Critics have accused the federal government of failing to move swiftly to secure agreements with the likes of Pfizer and Moderna because it was focused on that failed deal.” https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56035306 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56035306 My sister is a pharmacist in Toronto. She is personally vaccinating people right now as we speak. She said as of last week Ontario only had 200,000 Astra Zeneca vaccine doses allocated to it until April. 200,000 for 15 million people. She says that maybe Ontario may get more on Friday via the US sending more AZ but there’s no information about anything else. Until a few days ago, AZ could not be given to anyone over 64 which caused a lot of confusion and anger. And then Ford said in a conference that they were letting people get the AZ vaccine but they didn’t let the pharmacies know ahead of time, causing even more confusion. My mom who is in her 80s, her second dose of Pfizer was just recently pushed out by 4 months because they don’t have enough supply. My aunt who is in her 70s couldn’t register (until recently as I mentioned) for a shot because they didn’t have any supply for her age range. So no, Canada doesn’t have the doses it needs. It’s last in line because they started negotiating months after every other country and only after CanSino deal crumbled.
zdragnar 6y ago
My understanding is that the manufacturer of the vaccine didn't apply for emergency approval- they are letting it go through a longer process by their own choice. There might be perfectly valid reasons for this- I am not sure to what extent the government could or would want to force it to fast-track.
- bonzini 6y ago
  Probably the same reason why the manufacturer hasn't requested EU approval of the Dutch plant where they manufacture vaccines exported to the UK. That is, to make more money.
  - hef19898 6y ago
    AZ is bound by its IP agreement with Oxford University to sell at cost for the time being. By now, I thought people would know that.
  - cja 6y ago
    AZ sells at cost
- mlyle 6y ago
  The manufacturer didn't apply for EUA because the European trial was a mess, and there was basically no chance of FDA approval based on the data they had. The FDA is already reluctant to use trials from jurisdictions that may be very different demographically. When the trials are marginal, confused, and confounded, the chance of a FDA approval become negligible. If the AZ US trial pops out good data, you can expect a speedy EUA application.
  - bluGill 6y ago
    The us trail has completed with appearently good data. This just came out today so no surprise you didn't know about it yet.
    - mlyle 6y ago
bogomipz 6y ago
>"What really pisses me off is that the US Gov had 30 million doses of Astra for several months and it it isn't even approved for use." The drugmaker must apply for emergency use authorization before it can't be approved in the first place. They still have not applied for EUA as of today.
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plank_time 6y ago

Sorry but this is a lie. Canada put all their eggs in the CanSino vaccine even though they knew they had a bad relationship with China. This summer China conveniently blocked all progress and Canada was left scrambling. Blame Trudeau not the US.

throwaway894345 6y ago
I don’t think this is true? I recall an infographie from before vaccines had been deployed anywhere which showed where all of the countries were sourcing their vaccines from, in what quantities, etc, and I believe Canada was buying all sorts of vaccines so they would have much redundancy in case problems arose with any of them.
Waterluvian 6y ago
This does not resemble truth. Canada bought in to a ton of vaccines. Something like 6 doses per Canadian worth.
jeromegv 6y ago
You are lying. Canada has ordered 7 times the amount of population. From different manufacturers. You’re making things up. Biggest problem of Canada? There’s no local manufacture. And yes you can blame the liberals for that. Your anti Chinese talking point is not based in facts.
- plank_time 6y ago
  Only after the deal with CanSino fell through. That’s why Canada doesn’t have enough vaccine right now. And won’t have enough for months and months.
  - vkou 6y ago
    The deals closed after the CanSino deal fell through. Canada didn't sit around, waiting for it to fall through, before negotiating the others. Securing multiple sources of vaccine from independent providers was always the government's plan. But because the first of those four deals fell through (and because the countries manufacturing vaccines bought in other deals are prioritizing their domestic markets), politicians of all party affiliations now have an excuse to grouse.
hourislate 6y ago
It's silly making comments like that when a simple Google search proves I'm not lying. Article https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/canada-locks-in-20m-more-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-doses-to-arrive-this-spring-1.5263452 https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/canada-locks-in-20... After securing 20 million doses of the Pfizer vaccine, they exercised an option in early Jan 2021 for another 20 million. Article https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2020/12/16/why-did-justin-trudeau-preorder-so-much-covid-19-vaccine-he-says-he-learned-from-his-earlier-mistake.html https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2020/12/16/why-did-... Canada has purchased 40 million doses from Moderna, and expects delivery of up to 168,000 doses before the end of December 2020 Article https://nationalpost.com/news/world/canada-the-biggest-hoarder-of-covid-19-vaccine-pre-orders-in-first-world-ngos-say https://nationalpost.com/news/world/canada-the-biggest-hoard... Canada the biggest hoarder of COVID-19 vaccine pre-orders in First World, NGOs say
- plank_time 6y ago
  I suggest you yourself do a google search to uncover the truth. Canada only bought doses from other companies after CanSino fell through in summer 2020 putting them at the back of the line. https://nationalpost.com/news/moderna-chairman-says-canada-near-head-of-line-for-20-million-vaccine-doses https://nationalpost.com/news/moderna-chairman-says-canada-n... “ Early last year, Canada also signed an agreement with Chinese vaccine-maker CanSino for a vaccine trial, but that deal fell apart. CanSino had initially agreed to bring its vaccine candidate to Canada for testing.Critics have accused the federal government of failing to move swiftly to secure agreements with the likes of Pfizer and Moderna because it was focused on that failed deal.” https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56035306 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56035306 My sister is a pharmacist in Toronto. She is personally vaccinating people right now as we speak. She said as of last week Ontario only had 200,000 Astra Zeneca vaccine doses allocated to it until April. 200,000 for 15 million people. She says that maybe Ontario may get more on Friday via the US sending more AZ but there’s no information about anything else. Until a few days ago, AZ could not be given to anyone over 64 which caused a lot of confusion and anger. And then Ford said in a conference that they were letting people get the AZ vaccine but they didn’t let the pharmacies know ahead of time, causing even more confusion. My mom who is in her 80s, her second dose of Pfizer was just recently pushed out by 4 months because they don’t have enough supply. My aunt who is in her 70s couldn’t register (until recently as I mentioned) for a shot because they didn’t have any supply for her age range. So no, Canada doesn’t have the doses it needs. It’s last in line because they started negotiating months after every other country and only after CanSino deal crumbled.

zdragnar 6y ago

My understanding is that the manufacturer of the vaccine didn't apply for emergency approval- they are letting it go through a longer process by their own choice. There might be perfectly valid reasons for this- I am not sure to what extent the government could or would want to force it to fast-track.

bonzini 6y ago
Probably the same reason why the manufacturer hasn't requested EU approval of the Dutch plant where they manufacture vaccines exported to the UK. That is, to make more money.
- hef19898 6y ago
  AZ is bound by its IP agreement with Oxford University to sell at cost for the time being. By now, I thought people would know that.
- cja 6y ago
  AZ sells at cost
mlyle 6y ago
The manufacturer didn't apply for EUA because the European trial was a mess, and there was basically no chance of FDA approval based on the data they had. The FDA is already reluctant to use trials from jurisdictions that may be very different demographically. When the trials are marginal, confused, and confounded, the chance of a FDA approval become negligible. If the AZ US trial pops out good data, you can expect a speedy EUA application.
- bluGill 6y ago
  The us trail has completed with appearently good data. This just came out today so no surprise you didn't know about it yet.
  - mlyle 6y ago

bogomipz 6y ago

>"What really pisses me off is that the US Gov had 30 million doses of Astra for several months and it it isn't even approved for use." The drugmaker must apply for emergency use authorization before it can't be approved in the first place. They still have not applied for EUA as of today.

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