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>If paid support is all that counts then most languages would fall into that. Can you name another recent programming language that wasn't developed in-house a

>If paid support is all that counts then most languages would fall into that. Can you name another recent programming language that wasn't developed in-house at a major company. Go , Dart , and Rust all started out with paid teams of programmers working on them. Not sure if Crystal will be able to progress at a rate fast enough to keep people interested. Likewise, you'd have to be insane to try and pitch this to your project manager. I consider myself to be a risk taker, but even for my own side projects I stick to older better known programming languages. it feels like we keep trying to solve the same problems over and over again instead of utilizing solutions which already exist

chillfox 6y ago
I feel like it would be easier and cheaper to negotiate a support contract with Manas (Crystal) than with Google (Go, Dart) if your company wants paid support.
gravypod 6y ago
Do zig, python, elisp, Clojure, Haskell (mostly a research project), etc fit the bill?
- offtop5 6y ago
  Out of those Pythons the only one that's widely used in production, and it's been around for a long time. Python itself is an extremely simple language, which I think can work as one person passion project. Modern python has grown significantly from its first release in the 90s though. I don't think that can happen today, we all want too much out of our programming languages.
  - lgessler 6y ago
    I can't speak to the others on the list but it seems odd to say Clojure isn't being used widely in production. Clojure's been powering big businesses for years now and Nubank, which primarily uses Clojure, is valued at $24bn: https://www.pymnts.com/news/investment-tracker/2021/brazilian-fintech-nubank-raises-400-million-in-series-g/#:~:text=Nubank's%20total%20funding%20to%20date,billion%20in%202019%2C%20TechCrunch%20reported https://www.pymnts.com/news/investment-tracker/2021/brazilia....
  - lemming 6y ago
    All these companies, and more, are using Clojure in production: https://clojure.org/community/companies https://clojure.org/community/companies.
  - pansa2 6y ago
    > Python itself is an extremely simple language Unfortunately that’s not true at all - Python is far from simple. Sure, it’s no C++, but it’s very complex compared to languages like C, Go, Lua, even JavaScript.
  - throwaway894345 6y ago
    Python also has active sponsorship. Guido and the mypy folks were employed at Dropbox for the express purpose of working on Python last I checked, and even then my biggest grievance with Python is that the big hairy problems (performance, package management) still never get solved.

chillfox 6y ago

I feel like it would be easier and cheaper to negotiate a support contract with Manas (Crystal) than with Google (Go, Dart) if your company wants paid support.

gravypod 6y ago

Do zig, python, elisp, Clojure, Haskell (mostly a research project), etc fit the bill?

offtop5 6y ago
Out of those Pythons the only one that's widely used in production, and it's been around for a long time. Python itself is an extremely simple language, which I think can work as one person passion project. Modern python has grown significantly from its first release in the 90s though. I don't think that can happen today, we all want too much out of our programming languages.
- lgessler 6y ago
  I can't speak to the others on the list but it seems odd to say Clojure isn't being used widely in production. Clojure's been powering big businesses for years now and Nubank, which primarily uses Clojure, is valued at $24bn: https://www.pymnts.com/news/investment-tracker/2021/brazilian-fintech-nubank-raises-400-million-in-series-g/#:~:text=Nubank's%20total%20funding%20to%20date,billion%20in%202019%2C%20TechCrunch%20reported https://www.pymnts.com/news/investment-tracker/2021/brazilia....
- lemming 6y ago
  All these companies, and more, are using Clojure in production: https://clojure.org/community/companies https://clojure.org/community/companies.
- pansa2 6y ago
  > Python itself is an extremely simple language Unfortunately that’s not true at all - Python is far from simple. Sure, it’s no C++, but it’s very complex compared to languages like C, Go, Lua, even JavaScript.
- throwaway894345 6y ago
  Python also has active sponsorship. Guido and the mypy folks were employed at Dropbox for the express purpose of working on Python last I checked, and even then my biggest grievance with Python is that the big hairy problems (performance, package management) still never get solved.