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You’re being fed misinformation. EU countries signed before the UK.

by sprafa 6y ago

reddotX 6y ago
most brexiteers only read the British tabloids. explains their disconnect with reality
- kjakm 6y ago
  The parent comment is a reply to me so I’ll assume you’re also referring to me: 1. I voted remain and would again. 2. Everybody I’ve spoken to that actually lives in the EU agrees the EU has screwed up - it seems to mostly be remain voters who can’t move on who disagree with this. 3. If you have evidence contrary to my comment share it, keep the personal attacks to yourself.
  - Kliment 6y ago
    I actually live in the EU and I don't feel the commission has screwed up on this. I love that we have a somewhat equitable distribution model across the union. The core issues have been with producers heavily overpromising supply on the expectation that approval would take months longer, and with national politicians repeating those unrealistic promises verbatim to their populations to improve their popularity, and then blaming the EU when producers failed to deliver on their promises. AZ has been the worst about this, delivering dramatically less than promised, and have been scumbags in general about it, notifying the commission very late, sometimes after deadlines were already missed. Together with their refusal to be open about export movements EU->UK they've managed to create an enormous amount of suspicion.
thu2111 6y ago
Can you give a citation for that. The generally agreed figure is that it was done 3 months later. Bear in mind, the EU has still not even approved production from the AZ Halix plant. EU has generally been doing things slower than the UK.
- mr_aks 6y ago
  The EU hasn't approved AZ Halix because AZ hasn't applied yet: https://www.ft.com/content/8e2e994e-9750-4de1-9cbc-31becd2ae0a8 https://www.ft.com/content/8e2e994e-9750-4de1-9cbc-31becd2ae... (apologies for the paywall). Relevant quote: Asked about the Halix situation, the commission said on Friday that the EMA was ready to fast-track authorisation of new production facilities once it received an application and the necessary information from AstraZeneca.
  - cameronh90 6y ago
    I don't really understand what's going on with the Halix plant, but surely there must be more to it than that. There's presumably no way the EMA are just sitting there going "well we can't do anything until they mail us over the papers". Certainly the UK MHRA have been working closely with the companies to move the process along very quickly, as has been confirmed by both the government and the companies themselves. I'm curious to know what's really going on at the Halix plant.
    - tuukkah 6y ago
      How could EMA approve the certification of the factory if AZ does not want to and does not provide the necessary information?
      - thu2111 6y ago
        Knowing how these sorts of regulations work, there's probably considerable scope for speeding things up by parallelising. That's apparently how the MHRA went faster. Usually the regulator would demand a complete pack of information in specific formats, etc, so you have to wait for all the components to be ready before submission (which may well cost money, I'm not sure, but for corporate approvals like that it often does). In the absence of further guidance and given the EU's hostility to them so far, AZ may be waiting to ensure it has all its ducks in a row before submitting. In the UK the regulator was willing to do partial processing of applications in parallel with the project being executed, which isn't normal and poses obvious complexities, but can speed things up when latency is what matters most. If the EMA hasn't indicated any willingness to do that, and it's not the first time they've come up with this "we're waiting for submission" business, then it may be causing artificial delays.
jarvist 6y ago
CEO of AstraZeneca: "But the UK contract was signed three months before the European vaccine deal." "When we entered the agreement with Oxford, they had already been working with the UK government on this. " https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2021/01/26/news/interview_pascal_soriot_ceo_astrazeneca_coronavirus_covid_vaccines-284349628/ https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2021/01/26/news/interview_...
stale2002 6y ago
Its more complicated than that. These deal are not executed, the moment the final signature is signed. Instead, there are multiple steps along the way, that matter much more than some singular data point of a very long contract process that has many stages.

You’re being fed misinformation. EU countries signed before the UK.

by sprafa 6y ago

You’re being fed misinformation. EU countries signed before the UK.

reddotX 6y ago

most brexiteers only read the British tabloids. explains their disconnect with reality

kjakm 6y ago
The parent comment is a reply to me so I’ll assume you’re also referring to me: 1. I voted remain and would again. 2. Everybody I’ve spoken to that actually lives in the EU agrees the EU has screwed up - it seems to mostly be remain voters who can’t move on who disagree with this. 3. If you have evidence contrary to my comment share it, keep the personal attacks to yourself.
- Kliment 6y ago
  I actually live in the EU and I don't feel the commission has screwed up on this. I love that we have a somewhat equitable distribution model across the union. The core issues have been with producers heavily overpromising supply on the expectation that approval would take months longer, and with national politicians repeating those unrealistic promises verbatim to their populations to improve their popularity, and then blaming the EU when producers failed to deliver on their promises. AZ has been the worst about this, delivering dramatically less than promised, and have been scumbags in general about it, notifying the commission very late, sometimes after deadlines were already missed. Together with their refusal to be open about export movements EU->UK they've managed to create an enormous amount of suspicion.

thu2111 6y ago

Can you give a citation for that. The generally agreed figure is that it was done 3 months later. Bear in mind, the EU has still not even approved production from the AZ Halix plant. EU has generally been doing things slower than the UK.

mr_aks 6y ago
The EU hasn't approved AZ Halix because AZ hasn't applied yet: https://www.ft.com/content/8e2e994e-9750-4de1-9cbc-31becd2ae0a8 https://www.ft.com/content/8e2e994e-9750-4de1-9cbc-31becd2ae... (apologies for the paywall). Relevant quote: Asked about the Halix situation, the commission said on Friday that the EMA was ready to fast-track authorisation of new production facilities once it received an application and the necessary information from AstraZeneca.
- cameronh90 6y ago
  I don't really understand what's going on with the Halix plant, but surely there must be more to it than that. There's presumably no way the EMA are just sitting there going "well we can't do anything until they mail us over the papers". Certainly the UK MHRA have been working closely with the companies to move the process along very quickly, as has been confirmed by both the government and the companies themselves. I'm curious to know what's really going on at the Halix plant.
  - tuukkah 6y ago
    How could EMA approve the certification of the factory if AZ does not want to and does not provide the necessary information?
    - thu2111 6y ago
      Knowing how these sorts of regulations work, there's probably considerable scope for speeding things up by parallelising. That's apparently how the MHRA went faster. Usually the regulator would demand a complete pack of information in specific formats, etc, so you have to wait for all the components to be ready before submission (which may well cost money, I'm not sure, but for corporate approvals like that it often does). In the absence of further guidance and given the EU's hostility to them so far, AZ may be waiting to ensure it has all its ducks in a row before submitting. In the UK the regulator was willing to do partial processing of applications in parallel with the project being executed, which isn't normal and poses obvious complexities, but can speed things up when latency is what matters most. If the EMA hasn't indicated any willingness to do that, and it's not the first time they've come up with this "we're waiting for submission" business, then it may be causing artificial delays.

jarvist 6y ago

CEO of AstraZeneca: "But the UK contract was signed three months before the European vaccine deal." "When we entered the agreement with Oxford, they had already been working with the UK government on this. " https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2021/01/26/news/interview_pascal_soriot_ceo_astrazeneca_coronavirus_covid_vaccines-284349628/ https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2021/01/26/news/interview_...

stale2002 6y ago

Its more complicated than that. These deal are not executed, the moment the final signature is signed. Instead, there are multiple steps along the way, that matter much more than some singular data point of a very long contract process that has many stages.