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They signed 1 dey before the UK, which also got a 'best effort' contract.

readittwice 6y ago
Again: No, the UK had a binding contract with AZ since May already. "However, the key lies in an earlier agreement that AstraZeneca made back in May with the U.K., which was a binding deal establishing “the development of a dedicated supply chain for the U.K.,” an AstraZeneca spokesperson said." Quote is from this article: https://www.politico.eu/article/the-key-differences-between-the-eu-and-uk-astrazeneca-contracts/ https://www.politico.eu/article/the-key-differences-between-...
- gebruikersnaam 6y ago
  Again: Soriot is lying. This link says the UK signed in june : https://www.researchprofessionalnews.com/rr-news-europe-innovation-2021-1-astrazeneca-boss-says-faster-uk-vaccines-due-to-contract-terms/ https://www.researchprofessionalnews.com/rr-news-europe-inno... Except it didn't, the UK signed in august. The link also says they wouldn't export EU manufactured vaccines, except Italy blocked an export to Australia a couple of weeks ago.
  - readittwice 6y ago
    No, I've already posted the article that states that the UK signed the contract with AZ in May. There are also other news articles from May 2020 (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/18/coronavirus-astrazeneca-aims-to-distribute-vaccine-in-uk-by-september.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/18/coronavirus-astrazeneca-aims...) that prove that the UK already ordered back then. That's why it was considered "news" when it was reported that one particular contract was signed by the UK one day after the EU. But that's not the full story, since the UK had binding contracts with AZ well before that. "The link also says they wouldn't export EU manufactured vaccines, except Italy blocked an export to Australia a couple of weeks ago." I haven't seen that claim in the article you linked.
    - gebruikersnaam 6y ago
      "He also denied suggestions that AstraZeneca might be selling vaccine doses manufactured in the EU to other parts of the world in order to make a bigger profit."
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      - readittwice 6y ago
        IMHO that sentence doesn't prove your point that "The link also says they wouldn't export EU manufactured vaccines". AZ is selling at cost, so they are not making a profit from the vaccine atm. So that statement should be trivially true.
        gebruikersnaam 6y ago
        If they are actually selling at cost [citation needed], why would they ship to Australia with undoubtedly higher transport costs?
        readittwice 6y ago
        It is well known that AZ sells the vaccine at cost. E.g. "... is being offered by the drugmaker at cost during the pandemic and at no profit in perpetuity for low-income countries." [1] That's because the vaccine was developed by the Oxford university and Oxford made this a condition. If AZ makes a profit from the vaccine during the pandemic they would break the contract with Oxford. It seems the cost price differs from country to country because of different production costs and other factors (maybe shipping). [1] https://www.politico.eu/article/astrazeneca-vaccine-cost-higher-in-poorer-countries-coronavirus/ https://www.politico.eu/article/astrazeneca-vaccine-cost-hig...
        gebruikersnaam 6y ago
        This still doesn't provide an explanation for shipments to Australia, other than for higher profits. Which he explicitly denied doing so.
bengale 6y ago
Three months before.
mwaitjmp 6y ago
Have you got a source for this? Would really appreciate it.
- bengale 6y ago
  https://www.researchprofessionalnews.com/rr-news-europe-innovation-2021-1-astrazeneca-boss-says-faster-uk-vaccines-due-to-contract-terms/ https://www.researchprofessionalnews.com/rr-news-europe-inno... Here’s the CEO of AZ explaining why the three month extra time was important.
- gebruikersnaam 6y ago
  https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/astrazeneca-signed-vaccine-contract-with-eu-at-the-same-time-and-with-the-same-terms-as-uk-221293/ https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/astrazeneca-signed-va...
  - mwaitjmp 6y ago
    The other comment in this chain has the following statement in the link posted: > The UK signed off its deal with AstraZeneca in June 2020, three months before the EU did So I’m not sure what to believe.
    - gebruikersnaam 6y ago
      One is from independent researchers, the other one is from AZ press persons.Take your pick.
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Again: No, the UK had a binding contract with AZ since May already. "However, the key lies in an earlier agreement that AstraZeneca made back in May with the U.K., which was a binding deal establishing “the development of a dedicated supply chain for the U.K.,” an AstraZeneca spokesperson said." Quote is from this article: https://www.politico.eu/article/the-key-differences-between-the-eu-and-uk-astrazeneca-contracts/ https://www.politico.eu/article/the-key-differences-between-...

gebruikersnaam 6y ago
Again: Soriot is lying. This link says the UK signed in june : https://www.researchprofessionalnews.com/rr-news-europe-innovation-2021-1-astrazeneca-boss-says-faster-uk-vaccines-due-to-contract-terms/ https://www.researchprofessionalnews.com/rr-news-europe-inno... Except it didn't, the UK signed in august. The link also says they wouldn't export EU manufactured vaccines, except Italy blocked an export to Australia a couple of weeks ago.
- readittwice 6y ago
  No, I've already posted the article that states that the UK signed the contract with AZ in May. There are also other news articles from May 2020 (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/18/coronavirus-astrazeneca-aims-to-distribute-vaccine-in-uk-by-september.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/18/coronavirus-astrazeneca-aims...) that prove that the UK already ordered back then. That's why it was considered "news" when it was reported that one particular contract was signed by the UK one day after the EU. But that's not the full story, since the UK had binding contracts with AZ well before that. "The link also says they wouldn't export EU manufactured vaccines, except Italy blocked an export to Australia a couple of weeks ago." I haven't seen that claim in the article you linked.
  - gebruikersnaam 6y ago
    "He also denied suggestions that AstraZeneca might be selling vaccine doses manufactured in the EU to other parts of the world in order to make a bigger profit."
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    - readittwice 6y ago
      IMHO that sentence doesn't prove your point that "The link also says they wouldn't export EU manufactured vaccines". AZ is selling at cost, so they are not making a profit from the vaccine atm. So that statement should be trivially true.
      - gebruikersnaam 6y ago
        If they are actually selling at cost [citation needed], why would they ship to Australia with undoubtedly higher transport costs?
        readittwice 6y ago
        It is well known that AZ sells the vaccine at cost. E.g. "... is being offered by the drugmaker at cost during the pandemic and at no profit in perpetuity for low-income countries." [1] That's because the vaccine was developed by the Oxford university and Oxford made this a condition. If AZ makes a profit from the vaccine during the pandemic they would break the contract with Oxford. It seems the cost price differs from country to country because of different production costs and other factors (maybe shipping). [1] https://www.politico.eu/article/astrazeneca-vaccine-cost-higher-in-poorer-countries-coronavirus/ https://www.politico.eu/article/astrazeneca-vaccine-cost-hig...
        gebruikersnaam 6y ago
        This still doesn't provide an explanation for shipments to Australia, other than for higher profits. Which he explicitly denied doing so.

bengale 6y ago

Three months before.

mwaitjmp 6y ago

Have you got a source for this? Would really appreciate it.

bengale 6y ago
https://www.researchprofessionalnews.com/rr-news-europe-innovation-2021-1-astrazeneca-boss-says-faster-uk-vaccines-due-to-contract-terms/ https://www.researchprofessionalnews.com/rr-news-europe-inno... Here’s the CEO of AZ explaining why the three month extra time was important.
gebruikersnaam 6y ago
https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/astrazeneca-signed-vaccine-contract-with-eu-at-the-same-time-and-with-the-same-terms-as-uk-221293/ https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/astrazeneca-signed-va...
- mwaitjmp 6y ago
  The other comment in this chain has the following statement in the link posted: > The UK signed off its deal with AstraZeneca in June 2020, three months before the EU did So I’m not sure what to believe.
  - gebruikersnaam 6y ago
    One is from independent researchers, the other one is from AZ press persons.Take your pick.
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