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You had me believing there for a second. Webinos is death, link just doesn't work anymore, wikipedia lists a whopping 5.400 downloads on a budget of 14 mil[1].

by wrnr 6y ago

You had me believing there for a second. Webinos is death, link just doesn't work anymore, wikipedia lists a whopping 5.400 downloads on a budget of 14 mil[1]. Every fucking time, someone gets money to write software with as selling point to "enhance EU values" or a coalition to commodify the complement against EVIL American competition. You don't want to start business where your margin is competed away by marked forces, go and ask a poor cacao bean farmer. I am all for big moonshots, but these project feel more like LARPing what the Americans did profitably 10 years ago. [1]https://cordis.europa.eu/project/id/257103 https://cordis.europa.eu/project/id/257103

rektide 6y ago
society has a real fucking problem adopting things that are good for them. we all hate iotshit, but how many of us go the extra mile to do ethical, consumer empowering iot? no one. folks like tp-link suddenly close down their devices & all the home-assistant & handful of webthings users cry & are sad. screw you, you bought unethical hardware & circuit/software bent it to your will, but now it's chuffed. it was never an ethical enough start, even though you tried to empower yourself, you got wicked wicked burned. rarely do ethical, proper chances come along to try & support. webinos was so noble, so good, such a well thought of way to do iot. that had all the right priorities. it's fair & easy to call this a catastrophe, a disaster. but it keeps feeling to me- and this is dark- that the real disaster is us, mired in a deep deep inability to evaluate the free market of ideas, & pick actual good ones. it makes me absolutely desperate to believe the "1000 true believers" thesis, or as I once heard it, the "follow the alpha geeks" thesis. i want to believe change is not that hard, if you can get users empowering themselves & each other. webinos never got 1000 true devs. but, to me, we are all to blame. and we will suffer endless tales of how bad iot is for decades to come as a result. how can society better adopt?
- wrnr 6y ago
  Stop pretending your shit doesn't stink. Hunger is eating away at our lands and some nerds are working on networks without some perceived moral shortcomings.
  - rektide 6y ago
    way way way more nerds are getting bread off shitty bad failing products that society can't maintain or fix. there is incredible damage being done by the status quo that a very minimal investment proposed very excellent fixes for. you are being extremely scarcity conscious in only the narrowest most self-selective view possible. doing good things ought be worthwhile & it could be. rather than shit on the attempters I think we should consider what beyond the tech made webinos not succeed? and how and what pieces are addressable and how?
    - astrange 6y ago
      Most of my IoT devices are made by European companies (Eve and Hue) so you'd think an EU standard could work. But nobody needs their lightbulb to run a "web OS interface". This standard seems to break the rule of least power compared to something like Thread or HomeKit.

by wrnr 6y ago

rektide 6y ago

society has a real fucking problem adopting things that are good for them. we all hate iotshit, but how many of us go the extra mile to do ethical, consumer empowering iot? no one. folks like tp-link suddenly close down their devices & all the home-assistant & handful of webthings users cry & are sad. screw you, you bought unethical hardware & circuit/software bent it to your will, but now it's chuffed. it was never an ethical enough start, even though you tried to empower yourself, you got wicked wicked burned. rarely do ethical, proper chances come along to try & support. webinos was so noble, so good, such a well thought of way to do iot. that had all the right priorities. it's fair & easy to call this a catastrophe, a disaster. but it keeps feeling to me- and this is dark- that the real disaster is us, mired in a deep deep inability to evaluate the free market of ideas, & pick actual good ones. it makes me absolutely desperate to believe the "1000 true believers" thesis, or as I once heard it, the "follow the alpha geeks" thesis. i want to believe change is not that hard, if you can get users empowering themselves & each other. webinos never got 1000 true devs. but, to me, we are all to blame. and we will suffer endless tales of how bad iot is for decades to come as a result. how can society better adopt?

wrnr 6y ago
Stop pretending your shit doesn't stink. Hunger is eating away at our lands and some nerds are working on networks without some perceived moral shortcomings.
- rektide 6y ago
  way way way more nerds are getting bread off shitty bad failing products that society can't maintain or fix. there is incredible damage being done by the status quo that a very minimal investment proposed very excellent fixes for. you are being extremely scarcity conscious in only the narrowest most self-selective view possible. doing good things ought be worthwhile & it could be. rather than shit on the attempters I think we should consider what beyond the tech made webinos not succeed? and how and what pieces are addressable and how?
  - astrange 6y ago
    Most of my IoT devices are made by European companies (Eve and Hue) so you'd think an EU standard could work. But nobody needs their lightbulb to run a "web OS interface". This standard seems to break the rule of least power compared to something like Thread or HomeKit.