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Was it that Americans pay the most for and get the least healthcare?

by Hamuko 6y ago

thehappypm 6y ago
You talk of health care, how is the pandemic going in Europe?
- rsynnott 6y ago
  Ironically, that’s largely due to the EU being a bit too free market. The EU is almost the only country/bloc to allow unrestricted export of covid vaccine; indeed, it even exports to other vaccine producers. India was also a large exporter but seems to be tightening up. This is, broadly, a good thing; if it had taken the same approach as the US and UK then supply in many countries would be virtually zero. So far attempts to deviate from this haven’t really gone anywhere (though there’s currently talk about halting export to other major producers, primarily the UK. I’ll be somewhat surprised if this happens; the UK is so small relative to Europe that an extra ten million doses or so may not be worth the acrimony).
nickik 6y ago
Health care has been incredibly regulated in the US for a long time, from local to the federal level harmful regulation are enforced. In fact it is horribly regulated by any rational logic. But instead of looking at that and seeing the issues with it, the whole world just uses it to bash on capitalism, as if the US Health care system was some exemplar free market system. US politicians have no interest in reforming the system other then add more and more layers on top or keep the status quo. Funny enough medical care that doesn't fall under the insurance system is very effective in the US. Eye surgery or beauty operations can somehow be run with amazing capitalist efficiency but routine operations that are about the same in terms of complexity cost 10-20x more. Arguably one of the best system, Singapore, is more free market then US one. This is not to say that any system has the perfect combination, but a simple government run health care proves that government run everything is better, and use the US system as evidence is bad argument.

Was it that Americans pay the most for and get the least healthcare?

by Hamuko 6y ago

Was it that Americans pay the most for and get the least healthcare?

thehappypm 6y ago

You talk of health care, how is the pandemic going in Europe?

rsynnott 6y ago
Ironically, that’s largely due to the EU being a bit too free market. The EU is almost the only country/bloc to allow unrestricted export of covid vaccine; indeed, it even exports to other vaccine producers. India was also a large exporter but seems to be tightening up. This is, broadly, a good thing; if it had taken the same approach as the US and UK then supply in many countries would be virtually zero. So far attempts to deviate from this haven’t really gone anywhere (though there’s currently talk about halting export to other major producers, primarily the UK. I’ll be somewhat surprised if this happens; the UK is so small relative to Europe that an extra ten million doses or so may not be worth the acrimony).

nickik 6y ago

Health care has been incredibly regulated in the US for a long time, from local to the federal level harmful regulation are enforced. In fact it is horribly regulated by any rational logic. But instead of looking at that and seeing the issues with it, the whole world just uses it to bash on capitalism, as if the US Health care system was some exemplar free market system. US politicians have no interest in reforming the system other then add more and more layers on top or keep the status quo. Funny enough medical care that doesn't fall under the insurance system is very effective in the US. Eye surgery or beauty operations can somehow be run with amazing capitalist efficiency but routine operations that are about the same in terms of complexity cost 10-20x more. Arguably one of the best system, Singapore, is more free market then US one. This is not to say that any system has the perfect combination, but a simple government run health care proves that government run everything is better, and use the US system as evidence is bad argument.