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It seems to me that the problem here is your job, not Go. You could substitute Go here for any other language or technology that you don't know well and for whi

by q3k 6y ago

It seems to me that the problem here is your job, not Go. You could substitute Go here for any other language or technology that you don't know well and for which you're not given adequate time to learn the basics of, and you'd get the exact same result.

doublerabbit 6y ago
My job is solid. I have time to do such. I would rather just use my time available on have more pressing issues then a language I don't really want to use. Sure knowledge is boss, but my job is fine. It's not the job at fault.
- q3k 6y ago
  So it seems clear to me? You don't want to use the language, you don't want to learn the language, no-one is forcing you to use the language, then don't use the language. What are your expectations? Is it that every language should be readable to people who know Perl? Is it that you shouldn't be reading or modifying the source code of open source projects? How could this work better in an ideal world? I am puzzled.
  - doublerabbit 6y ago
    Why are you turning this in to such a pedantic thing? I am not a programmer. I am a systems administrator who administrates systems. Is that not easy to grasp? When my job is 98.9% something else than programming, I'd rather be learning AI, Robotics, History, Psychics, Gardening, Glass Blowing than a language I'll never use. I've explained it a case of "Can you get this to work" Yes/No. If no, I move on to something else. That's my line of work. If you want me to monitor,configure,administrate something, then it should be simple. Presented to me in one folder with all packages not downloaded from some corporate hell-hole of a website because it's the norm for younger developers. Am I not allowed to have that opinion? I will research on how to operate but that's it. Life's busy enough that I don't have time to further research on how to setup individual environments. I've just wasted 10 minutes typing this message to reply rather then configuring an openldap server for user authentication, Luckily I'm on lunch.
    - q3k 6y ago
      I'm not trying to be pedantic. Please do not assume bad faith. I'm just trying to understand that worldview, which just seems drastically different from mine, even though we both seem to be generalists. If there is something that Go, or any other product, could do better to be better suited to your workflow, I would like to know what it is. I don't write Perl, but if I had to qualify some piece of software that used it at work, I would make time then to learn as much of the basics of it that is needed to more easily get by. Even if it meant a day of reading Perl/CPAN docs to do 15 minutes of actual 'work', especially if the alternative is one or two days of blindly stumbling around to then not even be exactly sure if my 'yes/no' answer was correct. I don't even see much of a difference between learning something and just working with it - I can't imagine not having a browser window open with the docs/source code/whatever of what I'm currently working with. In that way I've learned a fair bit of technologies I would have never touched otherwise, but now their knowledge, even at a surface level, is worth more than the sum of the products.
      - doublerabbit 6y ago
        I mean no offense and sorry for my angst if it came that way. It's frustrating when I can't paint my view and then get battled to death because of it. TCL. TCL is the only language workflow that has worked for without any stress. proc SomeProcedure {variable} { Code it to do something for yourself } save, run and it works. No need to include modules, no need to download anything. I use my own TK/Gui interface which does stuff for me to make my life easier. And if I handed it to you, it would be in one folder with all files present no dependencies required. However I understand life is not like that unfortunately. > I can't imagine not having a browser window open with the docs/source code/whatever of what I'm currently working with. I don't. If at any point I need source code, I'll download it locally and compile/run it first. Then edit it learn the logic and flow of the program. I'm in terminal 99% of the time, orchestrating systems ranging from FreeBSD to Linux and AIX, if a browser is open it's for Slack, emails. I am someone who wants to type "man something" and get a man page of it. vim Library/file.pm and be able to view the code under the hood for that specific project. That's simplicity and that's how it should be -- The over-hassle of downloading from git, forking it, apply push,pull changes just isn't my street specially assuming my box I'm working with has internet.
- mixedCase 6y ago
  Okay so you don't want to spend time learning new stuff but at the same time you don't want to be left behind. You want a stagnant field. Sorry if I come across as too blunt, but you chose the wrong line of work if you don't like change. You'll still be able to work with the same old, boring but proven tech for the rest of your life, but face the fact that you'll be more inconvenienced by the reality you live in as time passes.
  - doublerabbit 6y ago
    What? I want change, I like change. I understand change and I will learn change. However when I have more pressing matters and when I am not requiring to use Go for my day to day life I have no purpose to put further education in to it other then enough to get by with.

by q3k 6y ago

doublerabbit 6y ago

My job is solid. I have time to do such. I would rather just use my time available on have more pressing issues then a language I don't really want to use. Sure knowledge is boss, but my job is fine. It's not the job at fault.

q3k 6y ago
So it seems clear to me? You don't want to use the language, you don't want to learn the language, no-one is forcing you to use the language, then don't use the language. What are your expectations? Is it that every language should be readable to people who know Perl? Is it that you shouldn't be reading or modifying the source code of open source projects? How could this work better in an ideal world? I am puzzled.
- doublerabbit 6y ago
  Why are you turning this in to such a pedantic thing? I am not a programmer. I am a systems administrator who administrates systems. Is that not easy to grasp? When my job is 98.9% something else than programming, I'd rather be learning AI, Robotics, History, Psychics, Gardening, Glass Blowing than a language I'll never use. I've explained it a case of "Can you get this to work" Yes/No. If no, I move on to something else. That's my line of work. If you want me to monitor,configure,administrate something, then it should be simple. Presented to me in one folder with all packages not downloaded from some corporate hell-hole of a website because it's the norm for younger developers. Am I not allowed to have that opinion? I will research on how to operate but that's it. Life's busy enough that I don't have time to further research on how to setup individual environments. I've just wasted 10 minutes typing this message to reply rather then configuring an openldap server for user authentication, Luckily I'm on lunch.
  - q3k 6y ago
    I'm not trying to be pedantic. Please do not assume bad faith. I'm just trying to understand that worldview, which just seems drastically different from mine, even though we both seem to be generalists. If there is something that Go, or any other product, could do better to be better suited to your workflow, I would like to know what it is. I don't write Perl, but if I had to qualify some piece of software that used it at work, I would make time then to learn as much of the basics of it that is needed to more easily get by. Even if it meant a day of reading Perl/CPAN docs to do 15 minutes of actual 'work', especially if the alternative is one or two days of blindly stumbling around to then not even be exactly sure if my 'yes/no' answer was correct. I don't even see much of a difference between learning something and just working with it - I can't imagine not having a browser window open with the docs/source code/whatever of what I'm currently working with. In that way I've learned a fair bit of technologies I would have never touched otherwise, but now their knowledge, even at a surface level, is worth more than the sum of the products.
    - doublerabbit 6y ago
      I mean no offense and sorry for my angst if it came that way. It's frustrating when I can't paint my view and then get battled to death because of it. TCL. TCL is the only language workflow that has worked for without any stress. proc SomeProcedure {variable} { Code it to do something for yourself } save, run and it works. No need to include modules, no need to download anything. I use my own TK/Gui interface which does stuff for me to make my life easier. And if I handed it to you, it would be in one folder with all files present no dependencies required. However I understand life is not like that unfortunately. > I can't imagine not having a browser window open with the docs/source code/whatever of what I'm currently working with. I don't. If at any point I need source code, I'll download it locally and compile/run it first. Then edit it learn the logic and flow of the program. I'm in terminal 99% of the time, orchestrating systems ranging from FreeBSD to Linux and AIX, if a browser is open it's for Slack, emails. I am someone who wants to type "man something" and get a man page of it. vim Library/file.pm and be able to view the code under the hood for that specific project. That's simplicity and that's how it should be -- The over-hassle of downloading from git, forking it, apply push,pull changes just isn't my street specially assuming my box I'm working with has internet.
mixedCase 6y ago
Okay so you don't want to spend time learning new stuff but at the same time you don't want to be left behind. You want a stagnant field. Sorry if I come across as too blunt, but you chose the wrong line of work if you don't like change. You'll still be able to work with the same old, boring but proven tech for the rest of your life, but face the fact that you'll be more inconvenienced by the reality you live in as time passes.
- doublerabbit 6y ago
  What? I want change, I like change. I understand change and I will learn change. However when I have more pressing matters and when I am not requiring to use Go for my day to day life I have no purpose to put further education in to it other then enough to get by with.