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`go mod download`, if you're using go modules, will fetch you the deps. This is no different, to me, than downloading a tarball of Python software with require

by q3k 6y ago

`go mod download`, if you're using go modules, will fetch you the deps. This is no different, to me, than downloading a tarball of Python software with requirements.txt and not running setup.py or pip install. I don't understand the problem.

doublerabbit 6y ago
Right, then it could be I wasn't aware there is a "go mod download". If it actually gives me a file I can modify without having to create any repo, special things to apply the changes then that will assist me in the future. Go isn't my thing and the less time I play with it, the happier I am. This is only my experience of it, and my experience is it acts friendly, but is a faff.
- hnlmorg 6y ago
  > the less time I play with it, the happier I am. There lies the problem. If you don't want to invest the time to learn the tools then you can't really complain that your screwdriver is rubbish at hammering in nails. And it doesn't matter how easy or hard any programming language is, all languages will have a learning curve that people need to be prepared to undertake.
  - doublerabbit 6y ago
    It's not that I don't want to, it's more I don't have the time to invest upon. I'd read all the national library books if I could, but I just don't have the time. End of shift, I walk away from my screen and try to do something other than. I'm burnt out enough by the tech field as it is.
    - q3k 6y ago
      It seems to me that the problem here is your job, not Go. You could substitute Go here for any other language or technology that you don't know well and for which you're not given adequate time to learn the basics of, and you'd get the exact same result.
      - doublerabbit 6y ago
        My job is solid. I have time to do such. I would rather just use my time available on have more pressing issues then a language I don't really want to use. Sure knowledge is boss, but my job is fine. It's not the job at fault.
        q3k 6y ago
        So it seems clear to me? You don't want to use the language, you don't want to learn the language, no-one is forcing you to use the language, then don't use the language. What are your expectations? Is it that every language should be readable to people who know Perl? Is it that you shouldn't be reading or modifying the source code of open source projects? How could this work better in an ideal world? I am puzzled.
        doublerabbit 6y ago
        Why are you turning this in to such a pedantic thing? I am not a programmer. I am a systems administrator who administrates systems. Is that not easy to grasp? When my job is 98.9% something else than programming, I'd rather be learning AI, Robotics, History, Psychics, Gardening, Glass Blowing than a language I'll never use. I've explained it a case of "Can you get this to work" Yes/No. If no, I move on to something else. That's my line of work. If you want me to monitor,configure,administrate something, then it should be simple. Presented to me in one folder with all packages not downloaded from some corporate hell-hole of a website because it's the norm for younger developers. Am I not allowed to have that opinion? I will research on how to operate but that's it. Life's busy enough that I don't have time to further research on how to setup individual environments. I've just wasted 10 minutes typing this message to reply rather then configuring an openldap server for user authentication, Luckily I'm on lunch.
        q3k 6y ago
        I'm not trying to be pedantic. Please do not assume bad faith. I'm just trying to understand that worldview, which just seems drastically different from mine, even though we both seem to be generalists. If there is something that Go, or any other product, could do better to be better suited to your workflow, I would like to know what it is. I don't write Perl, but if I had to qualify some piece of software that used it at work, I would make time then to learn as much of the basics of it that is needed to more easily get by. Even if it meant a day of reading Perl/CPAN docs to do 15 minutes of actual 'work', especially if the alternative is one or two days of blindly stumbling around to then not even be exactly sure if my 'yes/no' answer was correct. I don't even see much of a difference between learning something and just working with it - I can't imagine not having a browser window open with the docs/source code/whatever of what I'm currently working with. In that way I've learned a fair bit of technologies I would have never touched otherwise, but now their knowledge, even at a surface level, is worth more than the sum of the products.

by q3k 6y ago

doublerabbit 6y ago

Right, then it could be I wasn't aware there is a "go mod download". If it actually gives me a file I can modify without having to create any repo, special things to apply the changes then that will assist me in the future. Go isn't my thing and the less time I play with it, the happier I am. This is only my experience of it, and my experience is it acts friendly, but is a faff.

hnlmorg 6y ago
> the less time I play with it, the happier I am. There lies the problem. If you don't want to invest the time to learn the tools then you can't really complain that your screwdriver is rubbish at hammering in nails. And it doesn't matter how easy or hard any programming language is, all languages will have a learning curve that people need to be prepared to undertake.
- doublerabbit 6y ago
  It's not that I don't want to, it's more I don't have the time to invest upon. I'd read all the national library books if I could, but I just don't have the time. End of shift, I walk away from my screen and try to do something other than. I'm burnt out enough by the tech field as it is.
  - q3k 6y ago
    It seems to me that the problem here is your job, not Go. You could substitute Go here for any other language or technology that you don't know well and for which you're not given adequate time to learn the basics of, and you'd get the exact same result.
    - doublerabbit 6y ago
      My job is solid. I have time to do such. I would rather just use my time available on have more pressing issues then a language I don't really want to use. Sure knowledge is boss, but my job is fine. It's not the job at fault.
      - q3k 6y ago
        So it seems clear to me? You don't want to use the language, you don't want to learn the language, no-one is forcing you to use the language, then don't use the language. What are your expectations? Is it that every language should be readable to people who know Perl? Is it that you shouldn't be reading or modifying the source code of open source projects? How could this work better in an ideal world? I am puzzled.
        doublerabbit 6y ago
        Why are you turning this in to such a pedantic thing? I am not a programmer. I am a systems administrator who administrates systems. Is that not easy to grasp? When my job is 98.9% something else than programming, I'd rather be learning AI, Robotics, History, Psychics, Gardening, Glass Blowing than a language I'll never use. I've explained it a case of "Can you get this to work" Yes/No. If no, I move on to something else. That's my line of work. If you want me to monitor,configure,administrate something, then it should be simple. Presented to me in one folder with all packages not downloaded from some corporate hell-hole of a website because it's the norm for younger developers. Am I not allowed to have that opinion? I will research on how to operate but that's it. Life's busy enough that I don't have time to further research on how to setup individual environments. I've just wasted 10 minutes typing this message to reply rather then configuring an openldap server for user authentication, Luckily I'm on lunch.
        q3k 6y ago
        I'm not trying to be pedantic. Please do not assume bad faith. I'm just trying to understand that worldview, which just seems drastically different from mine, even though we both seem to be generalists. If there is something that Go, or any other product, could do better to be better suited to your workflow, I would like to know what it is. I don't write Perl, but if I had to qualify some piece of software that used it at work, I would make time then to learn as much of the basics of it that is needed to more easily get by. Even if it meant a day of reading Perl/CPAN docs to do 15 minutes of actual 'work', especially if the alternative is one or two days of blindly stumbling around to then not even be exactly sure if my 'yes/no' answer was correct. I don't even see much of a difference between learning something and just working with it - I can't imagine not having a browser window open with the docs/source code/whatever of what I'm currently working with. In that way I've learned a fair bit of technologies I would have never touched otherwise, but now their knowledge, even at a surface level, is worth more than the sum of the products.