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Similar here, and as I have written recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26532433 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26532433 I feel that this coul

Similar here, and as I have written recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26532433 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26532433 I feel that this could easily be a user toggle-able option near the url bar - and that people could choose to send referrer and search parameters to sites they like - and I could understand certain medical terms and what-not maybe people wanting to keep more hidden. I'm all for the browser taking control of this and giving the users options - love to be able to have the web site detect this and add a box saying 'hey would you mind sharing referral and or search term with us" It really helps when trying to figure out if you should be adding more content for 'term-mainly-X-demo' might be searching or for sure should be adding more content for other terms people are definitely searching for. I would imagine that many people would like to hide referrer for fbook, most of my sites I would think people would be willing to help with providing such info. as far as webmastering and stats to try to help visitors - it appears google is keeping more and more data to themselves, and now firefox is making it less transparent too. I see there is a link to the referrer policy for your site, but nothing about begging the user to include the info when visiting - oh well. awstats and similar have helped troubleshoot and helped expand many sites for many years and now another nudge to install third party slow-ware google-stats.. I just, sigh.

behnamoh 6y ago
> I feel that this could easily be a user toggle-able option near the url bar... No ordinary user wants to deal with that much complexity.
- skinkestek 6y ago
  But why have we decided lately to fall for the tyranny of what "ordinary users" want? Why can't we have a full featured Firefox hidden behind a setting, so this mythical "ordinary user" can have a dumbed down interface and the rest of us can have a real browser?
  - antonvs 6y ago
    > But why have we decided lately to fall for the tyranny of what "ordinary users" want? For the same reason bank robbers rob banks. That's where the money is. The source of the funding that pays for development of these tools is driving this. I'm not defending that situation, that's just the way it is. "Hackers" working on what they find technically elegant and useful are not driving these sorts of changes.
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  - behnamoh 6y ago
    "mythical" ordinary user? Have you been living in the world recently?
    - skinkestek 6y ago
      Been living here for many years already. Even worked a lot on the help desk, taught in vocational education and held a couple of training courses. At least around here my evaluation is that ordinary users are a lot more capable than we give them credit for. Or maybe I'm just insanely good at helping people, or I misunderstand or something else, you choose ;-)
stjohnswarts 6y ago
It's not really important enough to be a visible element on the bar. It would be a good compromise to bury an opt-in somewhere in settings though. Firefox is doing the right thing here by making it default and uncomplicated.
- stevenicr 6y ago
  I feel that you are right. I'd love it to become a right click on the page and 'share all requested info, or selected info with this site" perhaps. I don't mind right click - save page as.. but feel the secondary menu needed when right clicking on a tab, then hover down to move tab, then another flyout menu for new window is too much. Wish the 'move tab to new window' was just right there one level up. I feel that people would right click and allow info share right there if requested by some sites. Buried in the about: settings or whatever would never get used.

behnamoh 6y ago

> I feel that this could easily be a user toggle-able option near the url bar... No ordinary user wants to deal with that much complexity.

skinkestek 6y ago
But why have we decided lately to fall for the tyranny of what "ordinary users" want? Why can't we have a full featured Firefox hidden behind a setting, so this mythical "ordinary user" can have a dumbed down interface and the rest of us can have a real browser?
- antonvs 6y ago
  > But why have we decided lately to fall for the tyranny of what "ordinary users" want? For the same reason bank robbers rob banks. That's where the money is. The source of the funding that pays for development of these tools is driving this. I'm not defending that situation, that's just the way it is. "Hackers" working on what they find technically elegant and useful are not driving these sorts of changes.
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- behnamoh 6y ago
  "mythical" ordinary user? Have you been living in the world recently?
  - skinkestek 6y ago
    Been living here for many years already. Even worked a lot on the help desk, taught in vocational education and held a couple of training courses. At least around here my evaluation is that ordinary users are a lot more capable than we give them credit for. Or maybe I'm just insanely good at helping people, or I misunderstand or something else, you choose ;-)

stjohnswarts 6y ago

It's not really important enough to be a visible element on the bar. It would be a good compromise to bury an opt-in somewhere in settings though. Firefox is doing the right thing here by making it default and uncomplicated.

stevenicr 6y ago
I feel that you are right. I'd love it to become a right click on the page and 'share all requested info, or selected info with this site" perhaps. I don't mind right click - save page as.. but feel the secondary menu needed when right clicking on a tab, then hover down to move tab, then another flyout menu for new window is too much. Wish the 'move tab to new window' was just right there one level up. I feel that people would right click and allow info share right there if requested by some sites. Buried in the about: settings or whatever would never get used.