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You might want to read my "Tao of Redux" posts and Dan's "You Might Not Need Redux" post, which explain why Redux was designed the way it is: - https://blog.is

You might want to read my "Tao of Redux" posts and Dan's "You Might Not Need Redux" post, which explain why Redux was designed the way it is: - https://blog.isquaredsoftware.com/2017/05/idiomatic-redux-tao-of-redux-part-1/ https://blog.isquaredsoftware.com/2017/05/idiomatic-redux-ta... - https://blog.isquaredsoftware.com/2017/05/idiomatic-redux-tao-of-redux-part-2/ https://blog.isquaredsoftware.com/2017/05/idiomatic-redux-ta... - https://medium.com/@dan_abramov/you-might-not-need-redux-be46360cf367 https://medium.com/@dan_abramov/you-might-not-need-redux-be4... Ultimately, it's about putting a deliberate separation between "what happened" in the UI and "how the state is updated", writing as much of your state update logic as pure functions, and being able to use that indirection to enable tracing state updates over time via the DevTools. Also note that our official Redux Toolkit package is now the standard recommended way to write Redux logic, and it simplifies most of the Redux code you'll write: https://redux.js.org/tutorials/fundamentals/part-8-modern-redux https://redux.js.org/tutorials/fundamentals/part-8-modern-re...

runawaybottle 6y ago
I think you guys should take a more honest retrospective on an age old topic of ‘Intent versus Impact”. The truth of the story was that community was desperately looking for a solution to global state to avoid prop drilling. No amount of technical virtuosity, or cop outs to a half assed flux architecture that fundamentally mimics model-view-controller or a pub/sub pattern will be satisfiable to anyone with critical thinking ability. The kids had one job, get some global state available to the app, and they managed in their bravado to pack in ‘addons’, or in sales terms, they ‘up-sold’, that $40 hdmi cable along with your new $1600 television. Dan packaged his extra bullshit (the reducer pattern) over to a desperate group that had nowhere else to turn for a global state solution. Celebrity and hero worship was one of the premier sins in all of this. The guy didn’t know what the fuck he was doing and no one called him out on it. Certainly we are not going to marvel at the fact that he is a React core developer. Bad ideas are bad ideas, regardless of the current class that ordains it. For this, I am depressed, and will continuously antagonize the Redux team for the damage they caused the entire community. The Redux team owes a debt. Rewrite your library so that the api is 5 lines at max. Replace your conceptions, seek forgiveness for the sin, and let it rest. Until then, don’t peddle your Frankestein ever again anywhere, you all had plenty of time in the limelight and quite frankly - you weren’t good enough. Like what is the redux-toolkit? Do you guys lack the conviction to decide what the api is or isn’t? With all that said, if you don’t understand what I’m saying, then mapDispatchToProps or mapsTateToFuckYou, connect everything to nonsense, and I suppose in your new bullshit, createSlice to shut up already. You guys can’t write an api if your life depends on it. And I swear to god, if I hear about the stupid Ducks pattern ... I just can’t anymore. Anyways, I’d prefer never to punch down if I can avoid it. The redux/abramov/constituents of the react community became the Zeitgeist of the Javacript community. Paragons. And no one stood up to them and behind the bullshit is a clusterfuck of shitty apps. You guys ain’t a small agenda, and I expect the fight to continue.
- acemarke 6y ago
  I'm genuinely sorry that you're angry enough to rant like this. You might want to look into some therapy or something - that kind of anger can't be healthy. In the meantime, we're going to keep working to support our users. Who, based on the vast amount of feedback we've gotten over the last couple years, _are_ happy with the directions we're going.
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  - runawaybottle 6y ago
    If that’s the closest thing I’ll get to a sorry for Redux existing, I’ll take it.

runawaybottle 6y ago

I think you guys should take a more honest retrospective on an age old topic of ‘Intent versus Impact”. The truth of the story was that community was desperately looking for a solution to global state to avoid prop drilling. No amount of technical virtuosity, or cop outs to a half assed flux architecture that fundamentally mimics model-view-controller or a pub/sub pattern will be satisfiable to anyone with critical thinking ability. The kids had one job, get some global state available to the app, and they managed in their bravado to pack in ‘addons’, or in sales terms, they ‘up-sold’, that $40 hdmi cable along with your new $1600 television. Dan packaged his extra bullshit (the reducer pattern) over to a desperate group that had nowhere else to turn for a global state solution. Celebrity and hero worship was one of the premier sins in all of this. The guy didn’t know what the fuck he was doing and no one called him out on it. Certainly we are not going to marvel at the fact that he is a React core developer. Bad ideas are bad ideas, regardless of the current class that ordains it. For this, I am depressed, and will continuously antagonize the Redux team for the damage they caused the entire community. The Redux team owes a debt. Rewrite your library so that the api is 5 lines at max. Replace your conceptions, seek forgiveness for the sin, and let it rest. Until then, don’t peddle your Frankestein ever again anywhere, you all had plenty of time in the limelight and quite frankly - you weren’t good enough. Like what is the redux-toolkit? Do you guys lack the conviction to decide what the api is or isn’t? With all that said, if you don’t understand what I’m saying, then mapDispatchToProps or mapsTateToFuckYou, connect everything to nonsense, and I suppose in your new bullshit, createSlice to shut up already. You guys can’t write an api if your life depends on it. And I swear to god, if I hear about the stupid Ducks pattern ... I just can’t anymore. Anyways, I’d prefer never to punch down if I can avoid it. The redux/abramov/constituents of the react community became the Zeitgeist of the Javacript community. Paragons. And no one stood up to them and behind the bullshit is a clusterfuck of shitty apps. You guys ain’t a small agenda, and I expect the fight to continue.

acemarke 6y ago
I'm genuinely sorry that you're angry enough to rant like this. You might want to look into some therapy or something - that kind of anger can't be healthy. In the meantime, we're going to keep working to support our users. Who, based on the vast amount of feedback we've gotten over the last couple years, _are_ happy with the directions we're going.
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- runawaybottle 6y ago
  If that’s the closest thing I’ll get to a sorry for Redux existing, I’ll take it.