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This is potential Darwin award material: I watched a YouTube video and know about Ohm's law, time to zap my brain! This guy has the right idea: > Dennis Eckme

This is potential Darwin award material: I watched a YouTube video and know about Ohm's law, time to zap my brain! This guy has the right idea: > Dennis Eckmeier > Academic Writing, Science Communication, Neuroscience Consulting, and Advocacy > As a neuroscientist, I want to strongly advice everybody against experimenting with electrical brain stimulation. If you really need to, please follow these steps: 1. get a medical engineering degree or at least help from an expert 2. use professional equipment, don't build electrodes etc yourself 3. don't be alone when you are about to try it 4. When you are about to hit the switch: don't. :P

Sanzig 6y ago
Yeah... reading it in further detail, he applies current across his head between the mastoid processes. I thought it was local stimulation between two surface electrodes under the ear. A quick look at the literature shows that the targeted structures are too deep for an approach like that, so they have to go across the head. Style points for bravery, I guess, but I certainly wouldn't want to pump over a milliamp of direct current right underneath the squishy mass of goo that contains my conscious self. Especially not with an uncontrolled source like a battery - any sort of stimulator really ought to be current limited. A milliamp is an awful lot, IEC 60601 specifies a 0.1 mA patient leakage current and I'm pretty sure they weren't expecting even that small leakage current to be applied to the head. It's still cool, but yeah, nobody try this at home.
- kayodelycaon 6y ago
  > Style points for bravery It's only bravery if you know the risks. :)
- mastre_ 6y ago
  Can someone explain to this non-EE how current alone, as specified in milliamps in the absence of a specified voltage, can be used to specify a lethal condition? In other words, from here and other sources I'm inferring that 100mA can stop the heart, but does it not matter if it's from a (at?) 9V battery vs 1.5V AA battery?
  - OkayPhysicist 6y ago
    Well, the resistance is a fixed variable here, so voltage and current are tied together. Can't increase the amps without increasing the volts.
AR_14 6y ago
The guy was standing while his experiment, right? That is for me the potential Darwin award material here. Actually loosing balance due to this could lead to a potentially lethal head injury.
- MisterTea 6y ago
  What makes you think no precautions were taken?
- capableweb 6y ago
  Incredible that this guy is building is own electrodes and sending electricity to his body, but what you are noticing is that he might, potentially, get a head injury because he was standing! I'm sure some injuries were to be counted on in this case.
Yajirobe 6y ago
It's a 9V battery. Relax.
- tablespoon 6y ago
  > It's a 9V battery. Relax. That's the kind of thinking that leads to stuff like this: https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/jury-rules-radio-station-jennifer-strange-water-drinking/story?id=8970712 https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/jury-rules-radio-station-jennifer... > Jennifer Strange, a 28-year-old mother of three, was among 18 people who entered the "Hold Your Wee for a Wii" competition. They tried to drink as much water as they could without urinating in a bid to win a Nintendo Wii gaming console.... "It's just water. Relax." > "Can you get water poisoning and, like, die?" asked the female disc jockey. > "Not with water," a male disc jockey replied. "Your body is 98 percent water. Why can't you take in as much water as you want?" > "Maybe we should have researched this before," the female disc jockey added.... > Strange drank nearly two gallons of water in over three hours on Jan. 12, 2007. During the contest, she could be heard complaining about pain to disc jockeys at 107.9 "The End." > "Oh, it hurts," Strange said, while one male disc jockey remarked that she looked pregnant and another, a woman, said "That is so funny."... > Strange left after taking second place, winning a pair of concert tickets. She then called in sick at work and died in her bathroom just hours after the contest.
  - temp0826 6y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia
  - travisjungroth 6y ago
    >> It's a 9V battery. Relax. >That's the kind of thinking that leads to stuff like this It's also the kind of thinking that leads to getting killed by 9V batteries. https://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin1999-50.html https://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin1999-50.html
  - 99_00 6y ago
    Your example doesn't show why a 9v battery used in this way is dangerous.

Sanzig 6y ago

Yeah... reading it in further detail, he applies current across his head between the mastoid processes. I thought it was local stimulation between two surface electrodes under the ear. A quick look at the literature shows that the targeted structures are too deep for an approach like that, so they have to go across the head. Style points for bravery, I guess, but I certainly wouldn't want to pump over a milliamp of direct current right underneath the squishy mass of goo that contains my conscious self. Especially not with an uncontrolled source like a battery - any sort of stimulator really ought to be current limited. A milliamp is an awful lot, IEC 60601 specifies a 0.1 mA patient leakage current and I'm pretty sure they weren't expecting even that small leakage current to be applied to the head. It's still cool, but yeah, nobody try this at home.

kayodelycaon 6y ago
> Style points for bravery It's only bravery if you know the risks. :)
mastre_ 6y ago
Can someone explain to this non-EE how current alone, as specified in milliamps in the absence of a specified voltage, can be used to specify a lethal condition? In other words, from here and other sources I'm inferring that 100mA can stop the heart, but does it not matter if it's from a (at?) 9V battery vs 1.5V AA battery?
- OkayPhysicist 6y ago
  Well, the resistance is a fixed variable here, so voltage and current are tied together. Can't increase the amps without increasing the volts.

AR_14 6y ago

The guy was standing while his experiment, right? That is for me the potential Darwin award material here. Actually loosing balance due to this could lead to a potentially lethal head injury.

MisterTea 6y ago
What makes you think no precautions were taken?
capableweb 6y ago
Incredible that this guy is building is own electrodes and sending electricity to his body, but what you are noticing is that he might, potentially, get a head injury because he was standing! I'm sure some injuries were to be counted on in this case.

Yajirobe 6y ago

It's a 9V battery. Relax.

tablespoon 6y ago
> It's a 9V battery. Relax. That's the kind of thinking that leads to stuff like this: https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/jury-rules-radio-station-jennifer-strange-water-drinking/story?id=8970712 https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/jury-rules-radio-station-jennifer... > Jennifer Strange, a 28-year-old mother of three, was among 18 people who entered the "Hold Your Wee for a Wii" competition. They tried to drink as much water as they could without urinating in a bid to win a Nintendo Wii gaming console.... "It's just water. Relax." > "Can you get water poisoning and, like, die?" asked the female disc jockey. > "Not with water," a male disc jockey replied. "Your body is 98 percent water. Why can't you take in as much water as you want?" > "Maybe we should have researched this before," the female disc jockey added.... > Strange drank nearly two gallons of water in over three hours on Jan. 12, 2007. During the contest, she could be heard complaining about pain to disc jockeys at 107.9 "The End." > "Oh, it hurts," Strange said, while one male disc jockey remarked that she looked pregnant and another, a woman, said "That is so funny."... > Strange left after taking second place, winning a pair of concert tickets. She then called in sick at work and died in her bathroom just hours after the contest.
- temp0826 6y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyponatremia
- travisjungroth 6y ago
  >> It's a 9V battery. Relax. >That's the kind of thinking that leads to stuff like this It's also the kind of thinking that leads to getting killed by 9V batteries. https://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin1999-50.html https://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin1999-50.html
- 99_00 6y ago
  Your example doesn't show why a 9v battery used in this way is dangerous.