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I totally understand it for security, as ironic as it is (given the topic). For everything else though, I feel like there's a "honeymoon" effect in place, where

by prower 6y ago

I totally understand it for security, as ironic as it is (given the topic). For everything else though, I feel like there's a "honeymoon" effect in place, where the theoretical and immediate convenience overshadow the implications. To make a silly comparison, it's like buying digital videogames on a console instead of their physical versions, knowing you're trading immediate convenicence while giving away control, ownership and future availability. I would have much less problems processing IoT if the "I" was scrapped and optional by default. I guess I have an hard time understanding people relying on the internet at all.

tehlike 6y ago
Correct. Most people like myself go with no cloud versions of smart home gear. And use vpn to have a lot more control. A camera that works only locally (dafang hacks + wyze), home assistant, zigbee/zwave for example.
- jabroni_salad 6y ago
  That's definitely a popular stance in the community of people who care enough to join the home automation and general electronics community, but if 'most people' is a factor, Amazon's best sellers are all "works with alexa" and "no hub required", and all of those products will surely die when their cloud tenancy is turned off.
mason55 6y ago
In addition to what the other reply said about going local-only using Zwave/Zigbee, the other key is that home automation should be "in addition to" not "instead of." Want to control your lights remotely or automate them? Use an in-wall smart switch. They still work as physical switches even if all your automation/smart home stuff is down. Guests don't need to know anything about the smart home, they can just operate them like regular switches. You get smarts "in addition to" the normal light operation that everyone in the world understands. Smart garage? Hook into a regular, tried and true garage opener using some kind of remotely controllable relay. The button on the wall still works, the opener in your car still works, but you can have smarts in addition to all that. Replacing regular bulbs with smart bulbs and then requiring a phone or internet connected voice device "instead of" a normal wall switch is insanity.

by prower 6y ago

tehlike 6y ago

Correct. Most people like myself go with no cloud versions of smart home gear. And use vpn to have a lot more control. A camera that works only locally (dafang hacks + wyze), home assistant, zigbee/zwave for example.

jabroni_salad 6y ago
That's definitely a popular stance in the community of people who care enough to join the home automation and general electronics community, but if 'most people' is a factor, Amazon's best sellers are all "works with alexa" and "no hub required", and all of those products will surely die when their cloud tenancy is turned off.

mason55 6y ago

In addition to what the other reply said about going local-only using Zwave/Zigbee, the other key is that home automation should be "in addition to" not "instead of." Want to control your lights remotely or automate them? Use an in-wall smart switch. They still work as physical switches even if all your automation/smart home stuff is down. Guests don't need to know anything about the smart home, they can just operate them like regular switches. You get smarts "in addition to" the normal light operation that everyone in the world understands. Smart garage? Hook into a regular, tried and true garage opener using some kind of remotely controllable relay. The button on the wall still works, the opener in your car still works, but you can have smarts in addition to all that. Replacing regular bulbs with smart bulbs and then requiring a phone or internet connected voice device "instead of" a normal wall switch is insanity.