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To be fair, improving ICEs have been a massive help for mitigating climate change. Going from 60s muscle cars to current day hybrids has undoubtedly helped with

To be fair, improving ICEs have been a massive help for mitigating climate change. Going from 60s muscle cars to current day hybrids has undoubtedly helped with NOx emissions. Adding algae to feed might not get rid of meat production altogether, but it is a good transitional step.

Robotbeat 6y ago
I suppose, but it has also enabled larger and larger vehicles compared to the small vehicles of the late 70s. SUVs have never been more popular. To defeat Jevons Paradox (where greater efficiency just means more of the thing is consumed, making it potentially even worse than before), you gotta electrify everything. Perhaps even meat. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox
- airhead969 6y ago
  SUVs are the dominant vehicles produced in the US. Many small- and mid-sized car lines have ceases production. Tax engine displacement into oblivion and then require EVs. Similarly, tax meat ag into oblivion and then outlaw it.
  - Robotbeat 6y ago
    The best way to do it for cars IMHO is to add SUVs (etc) to the EPA fuel economy standards, double the minimum efficiency standard, and adjust the penalties for inflation from when it was first introduced. The EPA fuel economy standards actually poll really well (compared to gas taxes). Then, like you say, require EVs as soon as possible. In more detail, I’d say reinstate the EV credit, but make it per-mile range instead of per kWh (and make the benefits for the first 50 miles like 3-4x that for the next 200 miles... and make the latter credit only eligible if there’s 100kW charging capability... and make the total incentive up to $10,000, which is roughly the inflation adjusted original EV credit). Then after 4-5 years, require all new cars/trucks to at least have a plug, followed by all new cars/trucks having to be pure electric 5 years after that. Adjust the credits for inflation and simultaneously Phase out the credits for plugs once they’re required and then pure electric once that is required. Once most vehicles on the road have a plug, introduce higher carbon tax on fuel until it reaches at least $1-2/gallon (and then require all fuel to be synthesized for direct air capture CO2). After 15 years of the first mandate, start outlawing internal combustion engine vehicles on the road or requiring punitive registration fees. And transition road taxes to miles and weight-based about 5-10 years after the mandates start to bite. Keep electricity prices low by subsidizing clean electricity and then ratcheting up the CO2 taxes. The aim should be to provide a strong carrot incentive well before a stick incentive. Carrots pill better than sticks. And the stick incentives don’t get enough political support until they only apply to a minority of people.

Robotbeat 6y ago

I suppose, but it has also enabled larger and larger vehicles compared to the small vehicles of the late 70s. SUVs have never been more popular. To defeat Jevons Paradox (where greater efficiency just means more of the thing is consumed, making it potentially even worse than before), you gotta electrify everything. Perhaps even meat. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox

airhead969 6y ago
SUVs are the dominant vehicles produced in the US. Many small- and mid-sized car lines have ceases production. Tax engine displacement into oblivion and then require EVs. Similarly, tax meat ag into oblivion and then outlaw it.
- Robotbeat 6y ago
  The best way to do it for cars IMHO is to add SUVs (etc) to the EPA fuel economy standards, double the minimum efficiency standard, and adjust the penalties for inflation from when it was first introduced. The EPA fuel economy standards actually poll really well (compared to gas taxes). Then, like you say, require EVs as soon as possible. In more detail, I’d say reinstate the EV credit, but make it per-mile range instead of per kWh (and make the benefits for the first 50 miles like 3-4x that for the next 200 miles... and make the latter credit only eligible if there’s 100kW charging capability... and make the total incentive up to $10,000, which is roughly the inflation adjusted original EV credit). Then after 4-5 years, require all new cars/trucks to at least have a plug, followed by all new cars/trucks having to be pure electric 5 years after that. Adjust the credits for inflation and simultaneously Phase out the credits for plugs once they’re required and then pure electric once that is required. Once most vehicles on the road have a plug, introduce higher carbon tax on fuel until it reaches at least $1-2/gallon (and then require all fuel to be synthesized for direct air capture CO2). After 15 years of the first mandate, start outlawing internal combustion engine vehicles on the road or requiring punitive registration fees. And transition road taxes to miles and weight-based about 5-10 years after the mandates start to bite. Keep electricity prices low by subsidizing clean electricity and then ratcheting up the CO2 taxes. The aim should be to provide a strong carrot incentive well before a stick incentive. Carrots pill better than sticks. And the stick incentives don’t get enough political support until they only apply to a minority of people.