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> The clause is there to avoid this type of scenario where a key employee just says fuck it and leave. If they are at the "fuck it" point, what's going to forc

> The clause is there to avoid this type of scenario where a key employee just says fuck it and leave. If they are at the "fuck it" point, what's going to force them to be useful and productive during the forced 3 month notice period?

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unionpivo 6y ago
It's not really a fuck it point (usualy). If you reach that you just put in the notice, take whatever vacations you have and then put in sick leave. But 3 months notice is used for, so the company can hire a replacement for you, and you can help train him, and transfer knowledge. A lot of people reading this site work in companies that have huge teams, but most people in IT I know from EU (where I live) are one or two person IT teams. 3 or 4 person team is considered almost medium sized. In such situations you need yo hand of your task responsibly. And that the one thing that will get you burned, if you leave your previous employer hanging.
foobiekr 6y ago
The countries in Western Europe specifically are much much smaller pools in the tech space than anything an American could conceive. The reputational damage of getting to the “fuck it” point and becoming a pain in the ass has a lot more blow back when the pools of both workers and employers are tiny even compared to a second or third tier US geo.
sangnoir 6y ago
> If they are at the "fuck it" point, what's going to force them to be useful and productive during the forced 3 month notice period? Nothing - beyond professionalism. It is common for knowledge transfer to happen in this time, and any outstanding vacation days are usually taken at this time. There's a huge cultural difference between US and Europe (rest of world?) when it comes to going to work after serving notice. It appears the employer/employee relationship is more adversarial, so much so that the employee is not trusted/expected to do the right thing after being fired (or after they quit) - the whole "immediately getting escorted out of the building by security" is unheard of in Europe.
- arcade79 6y ago
  It's not unheard of, but it happens quite rarely. Violence, or threats of violence, typically leads to being escorted out immediately here in Europe too.
  - sangnoir 6y ago
    You are correct - when I was typing my previous comment, I had considered adding "unless criminal behavior is involved", but I thought it would make the sentence too unwieldy. If I could edit, I'd remove "unheard of" and replace it with "ridiculously uncommon"

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unionpivo 6y ago

It's not really a fuck it point (usualy). If you reach that you just put in the notice, take whatever vacations you have and then put in sick leave. But 3 months notice is used for, so the company can hire a replacement for you, and you can help train him, and transfer knowledge. A lot of people reading this site work in companies that have huge teams, but most people in IT I know from EU (where I live) are one or two person IT teams. 3 or 4 person team is considered almost medium sized. In such situations you need yo hand of your task responsibly. And that the one thing that will get you burned, if you leave your previous employer hanging.

foobiekr 6y ago

The countries in Western Europe specifically are much much smaller pools in the tech space than anything an American could conceive. The reputational damage of getting to the “fuck it” point and becoming a pain in the ass has a lot more blow back when the pools of both workers and employers are tiny even compared to a second or third tier US geo.

sangnoir 6y ago

> If they are at the "fuck it" point, what's going to force them to be useful and productive during the forced 3 month notice period? Nothing - beyond professionalism. It is common for knowledge transfer to happen in this time, and any outstanding vacation days are usually taken at this time. There's a huge cultural difference between US and Europe (rest of world?) when it comes to going to work after serving notice. It appears the employer/employee relationship is more adversarial, so much so that the employee is not trusted/expected to do the right thing after being fired (or after they quit) - the whole "immediately getting escorted out of the building by security" is unheard of in Europe.

arcade79 6y ago
It's not unheard of, but it happens quite rarely. Violence, or threats of violence, typically leads to being escorted out immediately here in Europe too.
- sangnoir 6y ago
  You are correct - when I was typing my previous comment, I had considered adding "unless criminal behavior is involved", but I thought it would make the sentence too unwieldy. If I could edit, I'd remove "unheard of" and replace it with "ridiculously uncommon"