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> The solution to their problem is really simple: make better offers. That's certainly a simple solution. The problem with simple solutions is that they are n

> The solution to their problem is really simple: make better offers. That's certainly a simple solution. The problem with simple solutions is that they are near guaranteed to not actually be feasible or realistic.

alecbz 6y ago
If it's literally this or the company folds, that seems realistic.
yrgulation 6y ago
Unrelated to the initial post. > The problem with simple solutions is that they are near guaranteed to not actually be feasible or realistic. This. There is no amount of money anyone sane can be given to stay in Romania. Most recently i’ve read they (hospitals) were tying covid patients to their beds. Couldn't help but comment on this as some of things i discovered are shocking for an eu member country (or any country for that matter), such as EU leading human trafficking, police corruption, collapsing health care, and the list goes on. But sure, the simple solution is to give people money, not the constant abuse taking place at work and outside that makes people want to flee that place.
- fishtacos 6y ago
  That's every poor country in existence. Not everyone has the same mindset as you, however. Provided with basic incentives, many, if not most, would not want to leave family, friends, common culture, etc, just for a wealthy life - they just want basic stability. Companies paying more (offering more at least) would begin to slow this domino effect, which raises standards of living and provides more funding for the government to provide services and ultimately pressure for increases in quality of life by the voting public. Everyone wins. Ultimately not everyone can emigrate - it's an impossibility. The brain drain will continue to be real, so it's incumbent upon these companies hiring to raise their wages and retain talent.
  - yrgulation 6y ago
    Agreed - my statement is in regards to "simple solutions".
    - fishtacos 6y ago
      That was my point. The simplest solutions are sometimes the most effective, as well. Incentivizing brain power to remain the country via pay increases seems like the most basic approach one can take, considering the GP was talking about Romanian studios complaining they can't find/hold talent and they are competing with the rest of the EU.
      - notahacker 6y ago
        The simplest solutions are the most effective, until you realise it isn't at all simple to match the 200-500% pay increase they're emigrating for.
        randomswede 6y ago
        Step in as a multi-national company, open a software engineering office, pay well over "local market value" and you get good software engineers, at a lower price than moving them elsewhere. They, in turn, get a better quality of life, don't have to emigrate (which for some is a bonus, and for some the opposite (a malus?)) and relatively speaking have more spending power than they would have had, if they moved. It is really not as easy as go "this is the exchange rate" and simply use that to compare pay in different countries.
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alecbz 6y ago

If it's literally this or the company folds, that seems realistic.

yrgulation 6y ago

Unrelated to the initial post. > The problem with simple solutions is that they are near guaranteed to not actually be feasible or realistic. This. There is no amount of money anyone sane can be given to stay in Romania. Most recently i’ve read they (hospitals) were tying covid patients to their beds. Couldn't help but comment on this as some of things i discovered are shocking for an eu member country (or any country for that matter), such as EU leading human trafficking, police corruption, collapsing health care, and the list goes on. But sure, the simple solution is to give people money, not the constant abuse taking place at work and outside that makes people want to flee that place.

fishtacos 6y ago
That's every poor country in existence. Not everyone has the same mindset as you, however. Provided with basic incentives, many, if not most, would not want to leave family, friends, common culture, etc, just for a wealthy life - they just want basic stability. Companies paying more (offering more at least) would begin to slow this domino effect, which raises standards of living and provides more funding for the government to provide services and ultimately pressure for increases in quality of life by the voting public. Everyone wins. Ultimately not everyone can emigrate - it's an impossibility. The brain drain will continue to be real, so it's incumbent upon these companies hiring to raise their wages and retain talent.
- yrgulation 6y ago
  Agreed - my statement is in regards to "simple solutions".
  - fishtacos 6y ago
    That was my point. The simplest solutions are sometimes the most effective, as well. Incentivizing brain power to remain the country via pay increases seems like the most basic approach one can take, considering the GP was talking about Romanian studios complaining they can't find/hold talent and they are competing with the rest of the EU.
    - notahacker 6y ago
      The simplest solutions are the most effective, until you realise it isn't at all simple to match the 200-500% pay increase they're emigrating for.
      - randomswede 6y ago
        Step in as a multi-national company, open a software engineering office, pay well over "local market value" and you get good software engineers, at a lower price than moving them elsewhere. They, in turn, get a better quality of life, don't have to emigrate (which for some is a bonus, and for some the opposite (a malus?)) and relatively speaking have more spending power than they would have had, if they moved. It is really not as easy as go "this is the exchange rate" and simply use that to compare pay in different countries.
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