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That's not what the thread says? It says that the EU/Germany should have insisted on a European partner for BioNTech. I don't see how the UK insisting on a Bri
by martinald 6y ago
That's not what the thread says? It says that the EU/Germany should have insisted on a European partner for BioNTech.
I don't see how the UK insisting on a British partner for Oxford is 'screwing' the EU, given the fact we were leaving the EU around this time and Trump was not known for his globalist worldview at the time.
- tpmx 6y agoFrom the summary at the end of the thread: "What mistakes did EU make? To me it seems obvious. EU took decisions based on an assumption of a free market and good faith from its partners. They didn’t think forcing an EU partner on BioNTech was essential, or EU plants should be for Europeans 1st. That now appears naive. EU assumed good behavior. US & UK manoeuvred to benefit themselves."
- martinald 6y agoIs that screwing someone or just naivety/incompetence from the EU? Why on earth did they think Trump would play fair?
- breakfastduck 6y agoIt's their naïvety / arrogance
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- tpmx 6y agoI'm guessing they thought Biden would play fair.
- martinald 6y agoBut there was no guarantee that Biden would win the election then.
- dgellow 6y agoIt might be both. The UK and the US clearly screwed us. Still I find that the EU was really naive here, hopefully Von der Leyen will learn from this.
- dingaling 6y agoCountries do not have friends, only interests. The first duty of a nation is to its people. The moment that politicians forget that is the moment they find themselves in predicaments like this.
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- Ygg2 6y ago> free market and good faith That's incompatible. I could see them making a good faith assumption. Free market assumption is basically, everyone is out to earn most money they can.
- mytailorisrich 6y agoThe EU is not naive. The list of bad decisions goes on and on. Face masks, open borders, vaccine development, suspension of AZ vaccine, etc. This is bad management and probably dangerous political games. Now, the UK did not do much better but at least they did manage to develop a vaccine (which is sold at cost) and to understand that vaccination had to happen early and as fast as possible and they went all in (800k+ injections just yesterday).
- dgellow 6y agoThe EU itself doesn't manage the reaction to the pandemic, it's up to each country. And as you can see European countries reacted differently and have vastly different results.
- mytailorisrich 6y agoThe EU has been put in charge of vaccine procurement and there is a lot of coordination between countries. When I say "the EU" it means as much the EU as an institution as it means most member states individually.
- dgellow 6y agoThe distinction matters depending on the point being discussed, otherwise the comparison with the UK (or the US) doesn't make that much sense.
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