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Sorry, but Dave Keating is not a honest broker here, pretty rabidly pro EU.

by bof_ 6y ago

capableweb 6y ago
Could you please try to provide any sort of sourcing for your statement? You might be right, but how is anyone supposed to take what you say as fact if you don't provide any evidence? Just being Pro-EU doesn't mean the reporting on this vaccine-drama is inaccurate. It means we probably need to be careful of what they are saying, but doesn't automatically mean it's wrong.
- bof_ 6y ago
  Quite right, if only all comments on hn came backed with evidence. ;) https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1351129930264948748 https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1351129930264948748 1 tweet is not evidence of bias in itself, though, if you've been following along since Brexit it's pretty obvious. I invite you to spent 10 minutes looking through his twitter feed and judge for yourself.
  - ceejayoz 6y ago
    Do you think the original he's criticizing (available at https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1351129935826575360/photo/1 https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1351129935826575360/p...) was fair?
czzr 6y ago
What specifically do you think he got wrong in the thread? That’s more useful to know, rather than name-calling.
- bof_ 6y ago
  "EU assumed good behavior. US & UK manoeuvred to benefit themselves." Assuming that is true, which it isn't, on what basis did the EU assume good behaviour?
disabled 6y ago
There is nothing wrong with being pro-EU, even rabidly so. People who are rabidly against the EU get off the hook, all the time. Also, it is not illegal for the EU to be banning exports of this vaccine product. Plus, where did the tax subsidies come from? In this case it is from an EU member state. This is how pharmaceutical companies work; they plant themselves where the subsides are. The biggest mistake that the EU made was that they trusted free market forces too much. Either way, this is a good read, from the Global Commission of Post-Pandemic Policy: Why States Should Invest in Vaccine Capacity: https://globalcommissionforpostpandemicpolicy.org/states-and-vaccine-capacity/ https://globalcommissionforpostpandemicpolicy.org/states-and... It talks about the EU vaccine situation well, too.
- bof_ 6y ago
  > People who are rabidly against the EU get off the hook, all the time. Two wrongs do not a right make.
- jariel 6y ago
  None of this is true. The UK screwed nobody, they just wrote a good contract independent of EU. If the UK knew there were not going to be able to manufacture there, they would have made it elsewhere. Nationalizing exports is a massive problem, and it may very well be illegal. Nobody screwed the EU or Canada, they just failed to take appropriate action.

Sorry, but Dave Keating is not a honest broker here, pretty rabidly pro EU.

by bof_ 6y ago

Sorry, but Dave Keating is not a honest broker here, pretty rabidly pro EU.

Could you please try to provide any sort of sourcing for your statement? You might be right, but how is anyone supposed to take what you say as fact if you don't provide any evidence? Just being Pro-EU doesn't mean the reporting on this vaccine-drama is inaccurate. It means we probably need to be careful of what they are saying, but doesn't automatically mean it's wrong.

bof_ 6y ago
Quite right, if only all comments on hn came backed with evidence. ;) https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1351129930264948748 https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1351129930264948748 1 tweet is not evidence of bias in itself, though, if you've been following along since Brexit it's pretty obvious. I invite you to spent 10 minutes looking through his twitter feed and judge for yourself.
- ceejayoz 6y ago
  Do you think the original he's criticizing (available at https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1351129935826575360/photo/1 https://twitter.com/DaveKeating/status/1351129935826575360/p...) was fair?

czzr 6y ago

What specifically do you think he got wrong in the thread? That’s more useful to know, rather than name-calling.

bof_ 6y ago
"EU assumed good behavior. US & UK manoeuvred to benefit themselves." Assuming that is true, which it isn't, on what basis did the EU assume good behaviour?

disabled 6y ago

There is nothing wrong with being pro-EU, even rabidly so. People who are rabidly against the EU get off the hook, all the time. Also, it is not illegal for the EU to be banning exports of this vaccine product. Plus, where did the tax subsidies come from? In this case it is from an EU member state. This is how pharmaceutical companies work; they plant themselves where the subsides are. The biggest mistake that the EU made was that they trusted free market forces too much. Either way, this is a good read, from the Global Commission of Post-Pandemic Policy: Why States Should Invest in Vaccine Capacity: https://globalcommissionforpostpandemicpolicy.org/states-and-vaccine-capacity/ https://globalcommissionforpostpandemicpolicy.org/states-and... It talks about the EU vaccine situation well, too.

bof_ 6y ago
> People who are rabidly against the EU get off the hook, all the time. Two wrongs do not a right make.
jariel 6y ago
None of this is true. The UK screwed nobody, they just wrote a good contract independent of EU. If the UK knew there were not going to be able to manufacture there, they would have made it elsewhere. Nationalizing exports is a massive problem, and it may very well be illegal. Nobody screwed the EU or Canada, they just failed to take appropriate action.