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European here. Having 3 months written in your contract (and in many countries by law, like France) is pretty common. You can still quit if both parties agree.
by obedm 6y ago
European here. Having 3 months written in your contract (and in many countries by law, like France) is pretty common.
You can still quit if both parties agree. I've done it before.
The clause is there to avoid this type of scenario where a key employee just says fuck it and leave.
It works both ways. So a company can say fuck it and fire you just because they want to.
It's a fantastic system. It can be exploited, but usually works really well for employees and it gives you a huge safety net you can (usually) rely on.
- mkl 6y ago> So a company can say fuck it and fire you "Can't", right? Otherwise it sounds like American at-will employment.
- AnssiH 6y agoRight, missing "not". The law mandates that the firing notice period cannot be shorter than the resignation notice period.
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- artursapek 6y ago> The clause is there to avoid this type of scenario where a key employee just says fuck it and leave. If they are at the "fuck it" point, what's going to force them to be useful and productive during the forced 3 month notice period?
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- unionpivo 6y agoIt's not really a fuck it point (usualy). If you reach that you just put in the notice, take whatever vacations you have and then put in sick leave. But 3 months notice is used for, so the company can hire a replacement for you, and you can help train him, and transfer knowledge. A lot of people reading this site work in companies that have huge teams, but most people in IT I know from EU (where I live) are one or two person IT teams. 3 or 4 person team is considered almost medium sized. In such situations you need yo hand of your task responsibly. And that the one thing that will get you burned, if you leave your previous employer hanging.
- foobiekr 6y agoThe countries in Western Europe specifically are much much smaller pools in the tech space than anything an American could conceive. The reputational damage of getting to the “fuck it” point and becoming a pain in the ass has a lot more blow back when the pools of both workers and employers are tiny even compared to a second or third tier US geo.
- sangnoir 6y ago> If they are at the "fuck it" point, what's going to force them to be useful and productive during the forced 3 month notice period? Nothing - beyond professionalism. It is common for knowledge transfer to happen in this time, and any outstanding vacation days are usually taken at this time. There's a huge cultural difference between US and Europe (rest of world?) when it comes to going to work after serving notice. It appears the employer/employee relationship is more adversarial, so much so that the employee is not trusted/expected to do the right thing after being fired (or after they quit) - the whole "immediately getting escorted out of the building by security" is unheard of in Europe.
- arcade79 6y agoIt's not unheard of, but it happens quite rarely. Violence, or threats of violence, typically leads to being escorted out immediately here in Europe too.
- sangnoir 6y agoYou are correct - when I was typing my previous comment, I had considered adding "unless criminal behavior is involved", but I thought it would make the sentence too unwieldy. If I could edit, I'd remove "unheard of" and replace it with "ridiculously uncommon"