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Were there any allegations of him doing unwanted flirting? This post seems to be conflating rms' cancellation with other people's unwanted behavior.

CRConrad 6y ago
No, some chick's memory of exactly that -- from 1987 or -92 or something -- was a fairly prominent part of what everyone was howling about. (And yes, I'm using the rather dismissive noun quite deliberately: Ordinarily this person would have been just another young [at the time; not so much nowadays] woman, and I'd have used some more appropriate term. But this bird-brained behaviour is worthy of a chicken. If anyone has a problem with that, I'm perfectly amenable to switching. How about "harpy"?)
compiler-guy 6y ago
His inappropriate behavior toward women is well documented. One example where women traded advice on how to keep him away. https://mobile.twitter.com/starsandrobots/status/994267277460619265 https://mobile.twitter.com/starsandrobots/status/99426727746...
- noobermin 6y ago
  This is hearsay...if it is well documented may be it would help to provide an example of bad behavior from someone who dealt with it directly.
  - compiler-guy 6y ago
    https://selamjie.medium.com/remove-richard-stallman-appendix-a-a7e41e784f88 https://selamjie.medium.com/remove-richard-stallman-appendix... Among other examples: “When I was a teen freshman, I went to a buffet lunch at an Indian restaurant in Central Square with a graduate student friend and others from the AI lab. I don’t know if he and I were the last two left, but at a table with only the two of us, Richard Stallman told me of his misery and that he’d kill himself if I didn’t go out with him. I felt bad for him and also uncomfortable and manipulated. I did not like being put in that position — suddenly responsible for an “important” man. What had I done to get into this situation? I decided I could not be responsible for his living or dying, and would have to accept him killing himself. I declined further contact. He was not a man of his word or he’d be long dead.” —Betsy S., Bachelor’s in Management Science, ’85 His social cluelessness is legendary--no one really disputes it. Why it wouldn't be true toward women as well, I have no idea. I'm sure you will find a way to dismiss this, but there are plenty of stories out there if you look.
- DonHopkins 6y ago
  >Star Simpson @starsandrobots Replying to @corbett >I remember being walked around campus by an upperclassman getting advice during my freshman year at MIT. "Look at all the plants in her office," referring to a professor. "All the women CSAIL professors keep massive amounts of foliage" s/he said. "Stallman really hates plants." Star is correct: RMS really hates plants, and is afraid of trees.

CRConrad 6y ago

No, some chick's memory of exactly that -- from 1987 or -92 or something -- was a fairly prominent part of what everyone was howling about. (And yes, I'm using the rather dismissive noun quite deliberately: Ordinarily this person would have been just another young [at the time; not so much nowadays] woman, and I'd have used some more appropriate term. But this bird-brained behaviour is worthy of a chicken. If anyone has a problem with that, I'm perfectly amenable to switching. How about "harpy"?)

compiler-guy 6y ago

His inappropriate behavior toward women is well documented. One example where women traded advice on how to keep him away. https://mobile.twitter.com/starsandrobots/status/994267277460619265 https://mobile.twitter.com/starsandrobots/status/99426727746...

noobermin 6y ago
This is hearsay...if it is well documented may be it would help to provide an example of bad behavior from someone who dealt with it directly.
- compiler-guy 6y ago
  https://selamjie.medium.com/remove-richard-stallman-appendix-a-a7e41e784f88 https://selamjie.medium.com/remove-richard-stallman-appendix... Among other examples: “When I was a teen freshman, I went to a buffet lunch at an Indian restaurant in Central Square with a graduate student friend and others from the AI lab. I don’t know if he and I were the last two left, but at a table with only the two of us, Richard Stallman told me of his misery and that he’d kill himself if I didn’t go out with him. I felt bad for him and also uncomfortable and manipulated. I did not like being put in that position — suddenly responsible for an “important” man. What had I done to get into this situation? I decided I could not be responsible for his living or dying, and would have to accept him killing himself. I declined further contact. He was not a man of his word or he’d be long dead.” —Betsy S., Bachelor’s in Management Science, ’85 His social cluelessness is legendary--no one really disputes it. Why it wouldn't be true toward women as well, I have no idea. I'm sure you will find a way to dismiss this, but there are plenty of stories out there if you look.
DonHopkins 6y ago
>Star Simpson @starsandrobots Replying to @corbett >I remember being walked around campus by an upperclassman getting advice during my freshman year at MIT. "Look at all the plants in her office," referring to a professor. "All the women CSAIL professors keep massive amounts of foliage" s/he said. "Stallman really hates plants." Star is correct: RMS really hates plants, and is afraid of trees.