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Why is that? Perhaps they get business value out of it?

by mvzvm 6y ago

bschwindHN 6y ago
Won't somebody please think of the business value???
- manigandham 6y ago
  That's how businesses make decisions.
  - bschwindHN 6y ago
    > Backblaze shouldn't even be using FB pixels to begin with. > Why is that? Perhaps they get business value out of it? Oh, they get value out of invading my privacy? Carry on then!
    - manigandham 6y ago
      Running and measuring ads is one of many things that delivers value to a business, yes. The privacy issue in this case is clearly an implementation mistake and seems to have been resolved. Ignoring the situation and context to make a comical statement doesn't really add anything to the discussion.
      - ksec 6y ago
        The overwhelmingly mentality on HN is that All Ads are bad. And all targeting Ads is bad. Because by their definition, All ads are tracking ads. This mentality also fits the current Internet and Twitter narrative. Especially true when it is from Facebook. Which happens to be pure evil on HN, twitter sphere and MainStream Media.
        Nextgrid 6y ago
        > The overwhelmingly mentality on HN is that All Ads are bad. Ads will at best waste my time/bandwidth/processing power and at worst compromise my privacy and/or convince me to make a bad financial decision. I don't see why this mentality is wrong?
        sokoloff 6y ago
        Ads are micropayments that work. I don’t like them per se and run an ad blocker and PiHole, but the fact that others don’t allows me to micropay for a lot of content with my time.
        ignoramous 6y ago
        > Ads are micropayments that work. One thing if those micro-payments end up enriching the creators, but another when blackholed into the coffers of a few tech cos.
        ectopod 6y ago
        Surely you meant to say: > but the fact that others don’t allows them to micropay for a lot of content with their time. I'm not objecting. I do the same. But in what sense are you paying? I'm sure I'm not.
        sokoloff 6y ago
        When I read a 5 minute Medium article, I'm paying with 5 minutes of my time. If I decide to bail out 1 minute into the article, I have still lost 1 minute of my time. The creator isn't getting any benefit from it, but I'm still paying.
        efreak 6y ago
        ＞ Because by their definition, All ads are tracking ads. John Gruber has an ad at daringfireball.net, currently for a company called Simris. IIRC the ad is pure text, not loaded by a script, and does not track you. Other blogs (usually security professionals ime) have text-based ads that are probably part of the theme in a static site generator.
tga 6y ago
It looks like they’re about to lose a bunch of business value because of it.
croon 6y ago
If that business value destroys trust in their main business, that's a problem.
- brightball 6y ago
  This is the thing that a lot of executives don’t ever seem to understand.
tomaskafka 6y ago
I assume they get business value by retargeting site visitors - to do this, just run the FB pixel (properly configured!) on a marketing pages of the website. Not in the logged-in part!

Why is that? Perhaps they get business value out of it?

by mvzvm 6y ago

Why is that? Perhaps they get business value out of it?

bschwindHN 6y ago

Won't somebody please think of the business value???

manigandham 6y ago
That's how businesses make decisions.
- bschwindHN 6y ago
  > Backblaze shouldn't even be using FB pixels to begin with. > Why is that? Perhaps they get business value out of it? Oh, they get value out of invading my privacy? Carry on then!
  - manigandham 6y ago
    Running and measuring ads is one of many things that delivers value to a business, yes. The privacy issue in this case is clearly an implementation mistake and seems to have been resolved. Ignoring the situation and context to make a comical statement doesn't really add anything to the discussion.
    - ksec 6y ago
      The overwhelmingly mentality on HN is that All Ads are bad. And all targeting Ads is bad. Because by their definition, All ads are tracking ads. This mentality also fits the current Internet and Twitter narrative. Especially true when it is from Facebook. Which happens to be pure evil on HN, twitter sphere and MainStream Media.
      - Nextgrid 6y ago
        > The overwhelmingly mentality on HN is that All Ads are bad. Ads will at best waste my time/bandwidth/processing power and at worst compromise my privacy and/or convince me to make a bad financial decision. I don't see why this mentality is wrong?
        sokoloff 6y ago
        Ads are micropayments that work. I don’t like them per se and run an ad blocker and PiHole, but the fact that others don’t allows me to micropay for a lot of content with my time.
        ignoramous 6y ago
        > Ads are micropayments that work. One thing if those micro-payments end up enriching the creators, but another when blackholed into the coffers of a few tech cos.
        ectopod 6y ago
        Surely you meant to say: > but the fact that others don’t allows them to micropay for a lot of content with their time. I'm not objecting. I do the same. But in what sense are you paying? I'm sure I'm not.
        sokoloff 6y ago
        When I read a 5 minute Medium article, I'm paying with 5 minutes of my time. If I decide to bail out 1 minute into the article, I have still lost 1 minute of my time. The creator isn't getting any benefit from it, but I'm still paying.
      - efreak 6y ago
        ＞ Because by their definition, All ads are tracking ads. John Gruber has an ad at daringfireball.net, currently for a company called Simris. IIRC the ad is pure text, not loaded by a script, and does not track you. Other blogs (usually security professionals ime) have text-based ads that are probably part of the theme in a static site generator.

tga 6y ago

It looks like they’re about to lose a bunch of business value because of it.

croon 6y ago

If that business value destroys trust in their main business, that's a problem.

brightball 6y ago
This is the thing that a lot of executives don’t ever seem to understand.

tomaskafka 6y ago

I assume they get business value by retargeting site visitors - to do this, just run the FB pixel (properly configured!) on a marketing pages of the website. Not in the logged-in part!