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This Sarah Mel character is the one who should be "cancelled".

smsm42 6y ago
Nope, she is the character that needs to be ignored. That's the proper way to deal with trolls - not feeding them, not fighting them but starving them of attention they so desperately crave.
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- ryandrake 6y ago
  This is why you should just ignore “people on Twitter.” People like this only have power if you pay attention to them. I’m not on Twitter and have never been. People could be “canceling” me there right now and I’d have no idea, and it wouldn’t affect me in the slightest. We give people power by paying undue attention to them.
  - smsm42 6y ago
    I was on Twitter once, and one day I logged out of my account and threw away the password. I never regretted it so far. I had to tell people several times that I do not use twitter, but it never been any problem whatsoever. Unfortunately, there is still some content that is exclusive to Twitter, because some smart and otherwise reasonable people insist on putting it there. I wish they would choose any other platform.
  - cgriswald 6y ago
    I know someone (no friend of mine) who said some indefensible things on social media. He ended up losing his job not because of what he said, but because people found where he worked and called up threats against his employers. That wasn’t enough. They also found out where he lived, graffitied and egged his house, made personal threats. I don’t know whatever happened to the guy but the last I heard he had his roommates lying, claiming he had moved. If you get canceled, it doesn’t happen on Twitter.
  - abdulmuhaimin 6y ago
    either the reason is weak, or you're just not important enough to cancel. cancel culture is not just mean comment. Affecting real life in every possible way is also one of its goal. Its basically modern day witch hunt. No way ignoring Twitter gonna solve that problem
  - AdmiralGinge 6y ago
    I think Twitter in general is such a harmful thing. There's very little worth saying that can be compressed into 280 characters beyond "I'm right, you're wrong, anyone who disagrees with my subjective opinion is scum" yet somehow it's become the platform of choice for journalism in general.
- tablespoon 6y ago
  > Nope, she is the character that needs to be ignored. That's the proper way to deal with trolls - not feeding them, not fighting them but starving them of attention they so desperately crave. That solution to trolling has never worked and never will. The reason is that it requires near complete agreement and coordination between uncoordinated individuals, which is impossible for any but the smallest groups. There's always someone who's too new or who doesn't want to get with the program who will engage.
  - smsm42 6y ago
    It doesn't require complete agreement - it does require same level of agreement and cooperation that allows us to have common language, common culture, common laws, Open Source projects, charities, etc. Just a common understanding that empowering people that thrive on tearing down and destroying others is bad for everybody, and we should not fall for any noble words they veil themselves with and see through it to the core of power lust and zeal for destruction. Yes, there will always be those who do not abide for the societal convention for one reason or another. Cultures have dealt with this problem for millenia, it's not something new. As soon as we succeed in developing a common norm of not enabling the cancel trolls, we will have cultural mechanisms of maintaining this norm, as we maintain many other societal norms that allow us to exist as a culture and a society.
    - tablespoon 6y ago
      > It doesn't require complete agreement - it does require same level of agreement and cooperation that allows us to have common language, common culture, common laws, Open Source projects, charities, etc.... > Yes, there will always be those who do not abide for the societal convention for one reason or another. I mean, as far as I can tell, the "societal convention" you're advocating for doesn't exist as such, so you lack even the minimal "some level of agreement" that your tactic requires.
      - smsm42 6y ago
        Yes, it does not exist yet. It needs to be created, if we don't want our society to be consumed by attention-hungry trolls. I think a lot of people - whether right-wing, left-wing or neither - are starting to realize that.
- visarga 6y ago
  Pedro Domingos has published an article about how to combat cancel culture. > Beating Back Cancel Culture: A Case Study from the Field of Artificial Intelligence https://quillette.com/2021/01/27/beating-back-cancel-culture-a-case-study-from-the-field-of-artificial-intelligence/ https://quillette.com/2021/01/27/beating-back-cancel-culture... TL;DR: Find your friends, Know what to expect, Don’t back down, Don’t let them make it about you, Hold the moral high ground, Mock them mercilessly, Don’t let their narrative outrun yours, Goad them into overreaching, Turn their weapons against them, Use the courts, Bring administrators around He has had some success in dealing with Anima Anandkumar and her mob on Twitter.
  - throwawaysea 6y ago
    I am still in shock at what Anima Anandkumar attempted and cannot believe that she is still employed by Nvidia. It’s hard for me to view them as anything but safe harbor for aggressive totalitarian ideologues when someone like that is permitted to remain in a highly visible position. For those who aren’t familiar, Wikipedia has a brief summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anima_Anandkumar#Public_Controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anima_Anandkumar#Public_Contro...
    - visarga 6y ago
      She only cooled off when Pedro sent a complaint to NVIDIA. Apparently the threat of cancelling works. A quote from PD: > I have reached out to @NeurIPSConf, @Caltech and @NVIDIA about curtailing @AnimaAnandkumar's disgraceful behavior. Let's see how they respond.
- agumonkey 6y ago
  Honest question, is that attention is seeking or is it overload (various forms of pain, sadness, frustration) turning his/her brain into a distorted accusation machine ?
- undefined1 6y ago
  Dexter Rule for Cancellation: only cancel serial cancelers https://twitter.com/wesyang/status/1353387857138872320 https://twitter.com/wesyang/status/1353387857138872320
qiqitori 6y ago
I just took a look at her recent Tweets and TBH she doesn't seem much different from Stallman. Confrontational and set in her ways -- her mission just appears to be different from Stallman's mission and they crossed paths in an unfortunate manner. Both have great missions, and she shouldn't be "cancelled" either. (Stupid word, surely there had to be a better one)
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- krastanov 6y ago
  I think Stallman's monomaniacal adherence to logic and rigor sets them very much apart.

Nope, she is the character that needs to be ignored. That's the proper way to deal with trolls - not feeding them, not fighting them but starving them of attention they so desperately crave.

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ryandrake 6y ago
This is why you should just ignore “people on Twitter.” People like this only have power if you pay attention to them. I’m not on Twitter and have never been. People could be “canceling” me there right now and I’d have no idea, and it wouldn’t affect me in the slightest. We give people power by paying undue attention to them.
- smsm42 6y ago
  I was on Twitter once, and one day I logged out of my account and threw away the password. I never regretted it so far. I had to tell people several times that I do not use twitter, but it never been any problem whatsoever. Unfortunately, there is still some content that is exclusive to Twitter, because some smart and otherwise reasonable people insist on putting it there. I wish they would choose any other platform.
- cgriswald 6y ago
  I know someone (no friend of mine) who said some indefensible things on social media. He ended up losing his job not because of what he said, but because people found where he worked and called up threats against his employers. That wasn’t enough. They also found out where he lived, graffitied and egged his house, made personal threats. I don’t know whatever happened to the guy but the last I heard he had his roommates lying, claiming he had moved. If you get canceled, it doesn’t happen on Twitter.
- abdulmuhaimin 6y ago
  either the reason is weak, or you're just not important enough to cancel. cancel culture is not just mean comment. Affecting real life in every possible way is also one of its goal. Its basically modern day witch hunt. No way ignoring Twitter gonna solve that problem
- AdmiralGinge 6y ago
  I think Twitter in general is such a harmful thing. There's very little worth saying that can be compressed into 280 characters beyond "I'm right, you're wrong, anyone who disagrees with my subjective opinion is scum" yet somehow it's become the platform of choice for journalism in general.
tablespoon 6y ago
> Nope, she is the character that needs to be ignored. That's the proper way to deal with trolls - not feeding them, not fighting them but starving them of attention they so desperately crave. That solution to trolling has never worked and never will. The reason is that it requires near complete agreement and coordination between uncoordinated individuals, which is impossible for any but the smallest groups. There's always someone who's too new or who doesn't want to get with the program who will engage.
- smsm42 6y ago
  It doesn't require complete agreement - it does require same level of agreement and cooperation that allows us to have common language, common culture, common laws, Open Source projects, charities, etc. Just a common understanding that empowering people that thrive on tearing down and destroying others is bad for everybody, and we should not fall for any noble words they veil themselves with and see through it to the core of power lust and zeal for destruction. Yes, there will always be those who do not abide for the societal convention for one reason or another. Cultures have dealt with this problem for millenia, it's not something new. As soon as we succeed in developing a common norm of not enabling the cancel trolls, we will have cultural mechanisms of maintaining this norm, as we maintain many other societal norms that allow us to exist as a culture and a society.
  - tablespoon 6y ago
    > It doesn't require complete agreement - it does require same level of agreement and cooperation that allows us to have common language, common culture, common laws, Open Source projects, charities, etc.... > Yes, there will always be those who do not abide for the societal convention for one reason or another. I mean, as far as I can tell, the "societal convention" you're advocating for doesn't exist as such, so you lack even the minimal "some level of agreement" that your tactic requires.
    - smsm42 6y ago
      Yes, it does not exist yet. It needs to be created, if we don't want our society to be consumed by attention-hungry trolls. I think a lot of people - whether right-wing, left-wing or neither - are starting to realize that.
visarga 6y ago
Pedro Domingos has published an article about how to combat cancel culture. > Beating Back Cancel Culture: A Case Study from the Field of Artificial Intelligence https://quillette.com/2021/01/27/beating-back-cancel-culture-a-case-study-from-the-field-of-artificial-intelligence/ https://quillette.com/2021/01/27/beating-back-cancel-culture... TL;DR: Find your friends, Know what to expect, Don’t back down, Don’t let them make it about you, Hold the moral high ground, Mock them mercilessly, Don’t let their narrative outrun yours, Goad them into overreaching, Turn their weapons against them, Use the courts, Bring administrators around He has had some success in dealing with Anima Anandkumar and her mob on Twitter.
- throwawaysea 6y ago
  I am still in shock at what Anima Anandkumar attempted and cannot believe that she is still employed by Nvidia. It’s hard for me to view them as anything but safe harbor for aggressive totalitarian ideologues when someone like that is permitted to remain in a highly visible position. For those who aren’t familiar, Wikipedia has a brief summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anima_Anandkumar#Public_Controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anima_Anandkumar#Public_Contro...
  - visarga 6y ago
    She only cooled off when Pedro sent a complaint to NVIDIA. Apparently the threat of cancelling works. A quote from PD: > I have reached out to @NeurIPSConf, @Caltech and @NVIDIA about curtailing @AnimaAnandkumar's disgraceful behavior. Let's see how they respond.
agumonkey 6y ago
Honest question, is that attention is seeking or is it overload (various forms of pain, sadness, frustration) turning his/her brain into a distorted accusation machine ?
undefined1 6y ago
Dexter Rule for Cancellation: only cancel serial cancelers https://twitter.com/wesyang/status/1353387857138872320 https://twitter.com/wesyang/status/1353387857138872320

qiqitori 6y ago

I just took a look at her recent Tweets and TBH she doesn't seem much different from Stallman. Confrontational and set in her ways -- her mission just appears to be different from Stallman's mission and they crossed paths in an unfortunate manner. Both have great missions, and she shouldn't be "cancelled" either. (Stupid word, surely there had to be a better one)

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krastanov 6y ago
I think Stallman's monomaniacal adherence to logic and rigor sets them very much apart.