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... that has been consistently lead of the pack in terms of productivity and simplicity. How can you know this?

mikeryan 15y ago
If I may "the framework which I have found to consistently lead the pack in terms of productivity and simplicity" (this is a true statement for me, personally, though I haven't done much on the Python front)
bad_user 15y ago
Personally I have worked with probably a dozen web frameworks thus far, on top of various languages, including Perl. I'm not going to say that Ruby on Rails is the most productive, as python's Django (my bread and butter) is not too shabby either, and most popular platforms have some web framework that gets close or that are better at various tasks (e.g. I chose PlayFramework for some project I had because of its async support and couldn't be happier about it). But IMHO, Rails 3 has the best design of the bunch - ActiveModel, ARel, Bundler, Passenger, database migrations that don't suck, less boilerplate than anything else of the same size/scope, the best plugins system I've seen (yes, I think it is better than Django's, no matter what Zed Shaw has to say about it) and also has the advantage of popularity. This doesn't come without sacrifice. I hate that they've forcefully added SCSS/CoffeeScript as a default. But the great refactoring of Rails 3 had to be done, as frankly, the Rails 2 codebase was an incomprehensible mess. And you can't be on the leading edge of web frameworks without breaking stuff. That said, Coffeescript as a default? Geez, I'd really like to know what they are smoking.
andrewvc 15y ago
I'm sorry yes, the preceding post represents my opinion, and my opinion only. It does not represent the opinions of my employer, bank, or family, nor is it an official verdict of the United States Supreme Court. Furthermore, any likenesses to people real, living, or yet-born are purely coincidental, or have been properly sublicensed through those who own their copyright. You may not make copies of my post without the express, written consent, of the National Football, Baseball and Basketball leagues. Happy?

If I may "the framework which I have found to consistently lead the pack in terms of productivity and simplicity" (this is a true statement for me, personally, though I haven't done much on the Python front)

bad_user 15y ago

Personally I have worked with probably a dozen web frameworks thus far, on top of various languages, including Perl. I'm not going to say that Ruby on Rails is the most productive, as python's Django (my bread and butter) is not too shabby either, and most popular platforms have some web framework that gets close or that are better at various tasks (e.g. I chose PlayFramework for some project I had because of its async support and couldn't be happier about it). But IMHO, Rails 3 has the best design of the bunch - ActiveModel, ARel, Bundler, Passenger, database migrations that don't suck, less boilerplate than anything else of the same size/scope, the best plugins system I've seen (yes, I think it is better than Django's, no matter what Zed Shaw has to say about it) and also has the advantage of popularity. This doesn't come without sacrifice. I hate that they've forcefully added SCSS/CoffeeScript as a default. But the great refactoring of Rails 3 had to be done, as frankly, the Rails 2 codebase was an incomprehensible mess. And you can't be on the leading edge of web frameworks without breaking stuff. That said, Coffeescript as a default? Geez, I'd really like to know what they are smoking.

andrewvc 15y ago

I'm sorry yes, the preceding post represents my opinion, and my opinion only. It does not represent the opinions of my employer, bank, or family, nor is it an official verdict of the United States Supreme Court. Furthermore, any likenesses to people real, living, or yet-born are purely coincidental, or have been properly sublicensed through those who own their copyright. You may not make copies of my post without the express, written consent, of the National Football, Baseball and Basketball leagues. Happy?