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This just seems like a manifestation of the class shift that happened in the internet era. Don't be an idiot - you don't work for youtube. You don't work for Yo

This just seems like a manifestation of the class shift that happened in the internet era. Don't be an idiot - you don't work for youtube. You don't work for Youtube, you don't work for Youtube, Uber, Facebook or Apple. You're a company that has a business relationship with Youtube, Uber, Facebook or Apple. A company that solely exists for your business relationship with the aformentioned, and the business relationship resembles a BDSM relationship more than a traditional relationship, but that's fine, because that's what you knowingly signed up for when you decided to contract with youtube. And now, you want to come to Youtube's customers and complain about youtube to them. This is going to sound very harsh, but essentially what I'm saying is that this isn't an issue with youtube, it's a political issue about power dynamics in corporate and monopoly power, and these surface level outbursts seema little... naive. Especially when there's no mention of context - which is that this guy basically built his business on sand. Youtube completely fucks with this guy and his last phrase in the video "Hope to see you on this bloody platform next sunday". Well that's great leverage isn't it.

coldtea 6y ago
>This just seems like a manifestation of the class shift that happened in the internet era. Don't be an idiot - you don't work for youtube. (...) essentially what I'm saying is that this isn't an issue with youtube, it's a political issue about power dynamics in corporate and monopoly power, and these surface level outbursts seema little... naive Well, what's naive is to think that these vloggers would even have an audience or income stream if they didn't start on YouTube (or a similar platform) where the eyeballs were. Heck, even now with 600K people knowing about him and subscribed to him, if this guy moves off of YouTube, he is probably going to lose a big chunk of his audience and thus income. So, the lecture about power dynamics etc is a little trite. Sure, if he could he would do it on his own terms, in his own website/domain, with his own 100% of the ad revenue and so on. But it's just not realistic below a certain level of audience, and often not as lucrative at any level.
- Traster 6y ago
  My point isn't that he should go off and set up his own youtube, my point is that he's completely failed to address the root cause of why this is happening and his suggested resolution "Hey youtube please be really nice and help me on this particular issue" is completely missing the forest for the trees- which is funny because at the beginning he gets so close to it. He works full time, everything he does gets sent directly to Google. In return Google pays him money. He is.... an employee with no employment rights.
alacombe 6y ago
> BDSM relationship more than a traditional relationship BDSM relationship are probably more communicative and saner than traditional relationship. Interactions with big-tech is probably closer to casting couch.
bsder 6y ago
> the business relationship resembles a BDSM relationship more than a traditional relationship No. Mutual "consent" and "communication" are cornerstones of the BDSM community. Google doesn't believe in either of those.

coldtea 6y ago

>This just seems like a manifestation of the class shift that happened in the internet era. Don't be an idiot - you don't work for youtube. (...) essentially what I'm saying is that this isn't an issue with youtube, it's a political issue about power dynamics in corporate and monopoly power, and these surface level outbursts seema little... naive Well, what's naive is to think that these vloggers would even have an audience or income stream if they didn't start on YouTube (or a similar platform) where the eyeballs were. Heck, even now with 600K people knowing about him and subscribed to him, if this guy moves off of YouTube, he is probably going to lose a big chunk of his audience and thus income. So, the lecture about power dynamics etc is a little trite. Sure, if he could he would do it on his own terms, in his own website/domain, with his own 100% of the ad revenue and so on. But it's just not realistic below a certain level of audience, and often not as lucrative at any level.

Traster 6y ago
My point isn't that he should go off and set up his own youtube, my point is that he's completely failed to address the root cause of why this is happening and his suggested resolution "Hey youtube please be really nice and help me on this particular issue" is completely missing the forest for the trees- which is funny because at the beginning he gets so close to it. He works full time, everything he does gets sent directly to Google. In return Google pays him money. He is.... an employee with no employment rights.

alacombe 6y ago

> BDSM relationship more than a traditional relationship BDSM relationship are probably more communicative and saner than traditional relationship. Interactions with big-tech is probably closer to casting couch.

bsder 6y ago

> the business relationship resembles a BDSM relationship more than a traditional relationship No. Mutual "consent" and "communication" are cornerstones of the BDSM community. Google doesn't believe in either of those.