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> However, it's all based off of dogma that isn't flexible and understanding that all humans life a different life, experience different things, and engage life
by gher-shyu3i 6y ago
> However, it's all based off of dogma that isn't flexible and understanding that all humans life a different life, experience different things, and engage life in a different way.
Maybe in Christianity it is, but this isn't the case in Islam.
> The religion has not in any way shape, form, or scientifically been proven true so I don't know how you can throw this out there.
It has been, in fact, proven. One of the more "interesting" (for lack of a better word) proofs that I've come across was an Oxford educated historian, who after studying the Quran, admitted that it contained too many detailed and nuanced information about the Christian and Jewish faiths, such that no person would have been able to acquire said knowledge from casual interactions with Jews and Christians - especially since there wasn't really any Christian presence worth noting in the Arabian peninsula. So what was his conclusion? That Makkah and Madinah and the Muslims as told in the Islamic history books were not in Hijaz (present day Saudi Arabia), but farther up north on the outskirts of Jerusalem! Of course, such nonsense conclusion is trivially disproven by many means.
There are many detailed prophecies that were foretold and took place exactly as told. We're not talking Nostradamus style vague prophecies here, but detailed events, such as the conquering of Constantinople, the length of the Caliphate after the passing of Muhammad ﷺ (30 years), after which it turned into kingdoms. The foretelling of Muhammad ﷺ to several of his companions (including Uthman, Ali, Ammar bin Yassir) that they will be martyred, and not die a normal death. Informing Khosrow II's messenger that Khosrow had died before the news arrived, the prophecy about Yemen, Egypt, and the Levant that they will be under Muslim rule. Informing Suraqah bin Malik that he will wear the bangles of Khosrow at a time when the former was non-Muslim and was chasing after Muhammad ﷺ to get a bounty[1]. The fact that AbuHurairah was seeking refuge in God that he would not live to see the year 60 Hijri. He was informed by Muhammad ﷺ what would happen, that's the year that Yazid became the leader, and God answered Abu Huraira's prayer and he died in the year 59 Hijri; and many more to list here.
Just because Christianity has failed to provide such proofs, does not automatically mean that another religion has as well. This is a fallacy.
The Golden age of Islam was from the 8th to the 14th centuries.
> Meanwhile the western world has trounced the islamic world in technology, artistry, manufacturing, and economics
I invite you to read world history especially post WWI and WWII to see how we're still living the effects of Western occupation. It's no excuse of course, but we cannot leave out such very important factors. Sykes-Picot alone has effects lasting to the present day, not to mention the occupation of Palestine by the British and giving it to the Zionists.
> All because Islamic culture is rooted in staunch conservative thought.
It's because of being rooted in incredibly strong bases that we can claim that Islam has been preserved. We can say with confidence that no other religion's texts or teachings have been preserved. The reason Muslim majority countries today are suffering is because they're not sticking to Islamic teachings. We know this for a fact, that when Muslims did follow the religion properly, we prospered and were a role model for the world to see. Until we go back, we're staying the way we are today.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suraqa_bin_Malik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suraqa_bin_Malik
- MeinBlutIstBlau 6y agoThe amount of lengths you're willing to go to rationalize Islam as a viable means of logical reasoning is a testament toward how moot this argument has become. I'm not ending it because I wouldn't like to discuss it further, I'm ending it because people who hold strong convictions in any belief without being willing to accept that their are faults in it are the antithesis of humility which science is all about.
- gher-shyu3i 6y agoThe proof is available to anyone with the insight to accept it. We accept valid criticism, and so far, I haven't seen any that withstood the torrent of evidence that Islam brings. You keep going back to (experimental) science, as if it is the be-all end all of explaining existence, which is simply false. The few proofs I pointed out are impossible to explain by experimental science.
- MeinBlutIstBlau 6y agoExperimental science doesn't claim to know all the answers because it's not a theology. It builds upon human knowledge and never ceases. That's the point of science. The reason religion is impossible to prove by science we have no means to measure a god. But you apparently do because of mental manifestations that you created with or without free will.
- truetraveller 6y agoWhat is "proof"? It's that which will satisfy a reasonable person about the correctness of some statement. The Quran is proof.