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Likely nothing. Look at Florida for a decent example of what’d happen at scale if we left schools open. It’s been fully open, 5 days a week in person, since the

by koolba 6y ago

Likely nothing. Look at Florida for a decent example of what’d happen at scale if we left schools open. It’s been fully open, 5 days a week in person, since the start of the most recent school year last September. The state as a whole has done better at dealing with the virus than other similar sized large states. It also has a wide range from dense urban to light rural populations. It’s not that you don’t have any mitigations. It’s that you tailor them to the problem. Florida did have lockdowns for senior centers and that likely lowered the overall death rate given the skewed mortality stats. So why did they open, but not CA or NY? I’m sure cozying up to the teacher’s unions at the very least factored into those states’ Governor’s decisions.

taurath 6y ago
I wonder what the Covid infection and death rate for teachers is compared to CA and NY. It’s easy for you to say they should’ve come back to school when you’re not the one getting exposed to 30+ families at once every day.
lupire 6y ago
Why are you making absurd claims like " fully open, 5 days a week in person, since the start of the most recent school year last September", that trivial to refute with a simple web search? https://www.browardschools.com/backtoschool https://www.browardschools.com/backtoschool
- koolba 6y ago
  All but three districts were open in September and those were open for children for in person learning a month later: https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/education/os-prem-ne-open-schools-florida-decision-20210222-zotwroil5vdxtenoa63yjetolm-story.html https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/education/os-prem-ne-op...
  - isabelc 6y ago
    The largest county in Florida, Miami-Dade, has had my child do school at home since March 2020. I've been trying since September to get him back in person but they don't allow it, so it's misleading to say they're open for in person. Only a tiny percentage of students are allowed in person.
optimiz3 6y ago
COVID does worse in warmer climates; it would be useful to see data adjusted for factors such as ventilation, climate, baseline prevalence, viral variants, etc. No one AFAIK has attempted to do any of this work. All I've seen are unsubstantiated claims for each side's agenda. We need to know what hard conditions guarantee an R0 small enough to prevent disease transmission in schools. There has been zero leadership here.
- jjcon 6y ago
  > COVID does worse in warmer climates Is that really substantiated or has it just been theorized? California and Texas have been doing poorly compared to Florida so heat itself doesn’t seem to be the differing factor if it is a factor at all.
  - optimiz3 6y ago
    Technically, it's based around the fact the virus spreads slower in summer (warm, humid) than winter (cold, dry). Though I suppose California and Texas are more (warm, dry) so maybe the union factor is dry. Or something else like population density or time spent indoors.
  - WalterGR 6y ago
    California and Texas have been doing poorly compared to Florida That is simply not true. California has had fewer cases per capita, fewer deaths per capital, and more tests per capita. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > > COVID does worse in warmer climates > California and Texas have been doing poorly compared to Florida so heat itself doesn’t seem to be the differing factor if it is a factor at all. California is much colder than Florida, if you weight it by population and not land area. Wouldn't be surprised if that is also true of Texas. Both have large tracts of sparsely populated arid, very hot land that contributes to popular image but isn't where most people live. Also, California has not been doing poorly compared to Florida, but there are a whole lot of non-climatic differences.
isabelc 6y ago
>"It’s been fully open, 5 days a week in person, since the start of the most recent school year last September." Not true. The largest county in Florida, Miami-Dade, has had my child do school at home since March 2020. Only a tiny percentage of students are allowed in person even now.

by koolba 6y ago

taurath 6y ago

I wonder what the Covid infection and death rate for teachers is compared to CA and NY. It’s easy for you to say they should’ve come back to school when you’re not the one getting exposed to 30+ families at once every day.

lupire 6y ago

Why are you making absurd claims like " fully open, 5 days a week in person, since the start of the most recent school year last September", that trivial to refute with a simple web search? https://www.browardschools.com/backtoschool https://www.browardschools.com/backtoschool

koolba 6y ago
All but three districts were open in September and those were open for children for in person learning a month later: https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/education/os-prem-ne-open-schools-florida-decision-20210222-zotwroil5vdxtenoa63yjetolm-story.html https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/education/os-prem-ne-op...
- isabelc 6y ago
  The largest county in Florida, Miami-Dade, has had my child do school at home since March 2020. I've been trying since September to get him back in person but they don't allow it, so it's misleading to say they're open for in person. Only a tiny percentage of students are allowed in person.

optimiz3 6y ago

COVID does worse in warmer climates; it would be useful to see data adjusted for factors such as ventilation, climate, baseline prevalence, viral variants, etc. No one AFAIK has attempted to do any of this work. All I've seen are unsubstantiated claims for each side's agenda. We need to know what hard conditions guarantee an R0 small enough to prevent disease transmission in schools. There has been zero leadership here.

jjcon 6y ago
> COVID does worse in warmer climates Is that really substantiated or has it just been theorized? California and Texas have been doing poorly compared to Florida so heat itself doesn’t seem to be the differing factor if it is a factor at all.
- optimiz3 6y ago
  Technically, it's based around the fact the virus spreads slower in summer (warm, humid) than winter (cold, dry). Though I suppose California and Texas are more (warm, dry) so maybe the union factor is dry. Or something else like population density or time spent indoors.
- WalterGR 6y ago
  California and Texas have been doing poorly compared to Florida That is simply not true. California has had fewer cases per capita, fewer deaths per capital, and more tests per capita. https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > > COVID does worse in warmer climates > California and Texas have been doing poorly compared to Florida so heat itself doesn’t seem to be the differing factor if it is a factor at all. California is much colder than Florida, if you weight it by population and not land area. Wouldn't be surprised if that is also true of Texas. Both have large tracts of sparsely populated arid, very hot land that contributes to popular image but isn't where most people live. Also, California has not been doing poorly compared to Florida, but there are a whole lot of non-climatic differences.

isabelc 6y ago

>"It’s been fully open, 5 days a week in person, since the start of the most recent school year last September." Not true. The largest county in Florida, Miami-Dade, has had my child do school at home since March 2020. Only a tiny percentage of students are allowed in person even now.