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Covid barely spreads through children. It spreads through travel and large gathering of adults.

by wisty 6y ago

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monocasa 6y ago
There's pretty much no evidence for that. Kids are asymptomatic and the virus is so out of control that it's difficult to track down the graph of infections from kids is all. Additionally teachers and school staff tilt pretty heavily to high risk groups. Watching so many of the adults die in their life would absolutely give kids depression too.
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- oceanplexian 6y ago
  Maybe it's a pet peeve of mine but the onus is not on public health institutions to prove or disprove a negative. Saying "There's not evidence of the virus _not_ spreading in Cohort X" is an almost impossible position. If you have evidence to show it's spreading, then present it, and make public policy decisions based on said evidence. If you don't have evidence, then you should not be making policy.
  - monocasa 6y ago
    Here's direct evidence: school closures are one of the most effective government interventions. https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6531/eabd9338 https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6531/eabd9338 What I have an issue with is people stating crazy stuff like "covid barely spreads through children" even though they have no real data on it.
    - oceanplexian 6y ago
      If you read between the lines the study makes quite a few points consistent with my argument: > Primary schools may be generally less affected than secondary schools (20, 25–28), perhaps partly because children under the age of 12 are less susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 (29). The study also goes on to state, in a profound bit of self-awareness: > Our approach cannot distinguish direct effects on transmission in schools and universities from indirect effects, such as the general population behaving more cautiously after school closures signaled the gravity of the pandemic. Additionally, because school and university closures were implemented on the same day or in close succession in most of the countries we studied, our approach cannot distinguish their individual effects And: > (iii) Our results cannot be used without qualification to predict the effect of lifting NPIs. For example, closing schools and universities in conjunction seems to have greatly reduced transmission, but this does not mean that reopening them will necessarily cause infections to soar. Like stated above, this doesn't prove or disprove a negative. If someone comes out with a direct, causative relationship between re-opening schools and increased infections, and that is reproducible, sure, make policy decisions based on that information. But otherwise, if we are blindly making decisions that can affect the health and development of children, we better have data to back up those decisions.
      - esyir 6y ago
        The clear solution is to test. Look for a suitable district that wants to open up the schools, open them up for a bit and do a rapid lockdown if it instigates an outbreak.
  - AshWolfy 6y ago
    Thats not true when it comes to public health, often it is better policy to act as though the worst case scenario is true, because the consequences of overreacting are far less bad than the consequences of underreacting
  - wizzard 6y ago
    It's a pet peeve of mine for people to make a bold statement like "Covid barely spreads through children" when there's no scientific consensus yet. I want it to be true, but it would be pretty incredible if it were. There are probably other factors at play.
- Izkata 6y ago
  > Kids are asymptomatic Yeah, and that's why it's not really a thing. Large amounts of asymptomatic spread turned out to be an early fear that wasn't true: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-pat...
CodeMage 6y ago
Tell that to Brazil: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/346632665_Coronavirus_Disease-19_deaths_among_children_and_adolescents_in_an_area_of_Northeast_Brazil_why_so_many https://www.researchgate.net/publication/346632665_Coronavir...

Covid barely spreads through children. It spreads through travel and large gathering of adults.

by wisty 6y ago

Covid barely spreads through children. It spreads through travel and large gathering of adults.

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monocasa 6y ago

There's pretty much no evidence for that. Kids are asymptomatic and the virus is so out of control that it's difficult to track down the graph of infections from kids is all. Additionally teachers and school staff tilt pretty heavily to high risk groups. Watching so many of the adults die in their life would absolutely give kids depression too.

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oceanplexian 6y ago
Maybe it's a pet peeve of mine but the onus is not on public health institutions to prove or disprove a negative. Saying "There's not evidence of the virus _not_ spreading in Cohort X" is an almost impossible position. If you have evidence to show it's spreading, then present it, and make public policy decisions based on said evidence. If you don't have evidence, then you should not be making policy.
- monocasa 6y ago
  Here's direct evidence: school closures are one of the most effective government interventions. https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6531/eabd9338 https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6531/eabd9338 What I have an issue with is people stating crazy stuff like "covid barely spreads through children" even though they have no real data on it.
  - oceanplexian 6y ago
    If you read between the lines the study makes quite a few points consistent with my argument: > Primary schools may be generally less affected than secondary schools (20, 25–28), perhaps partly because children under the age of 12 are less susceptible to SARS-CoV-2 (29). The study also goes on to state, in a profound bit of self-awareness: > Our approach cannot distinguish direct effects on transmission in schools and universities from indirect effects, such as the general population behaving more cautiously after school closures signaled the gravity of the pandemic. Additionally, because school and university closures were implemented on the same day or in close succession in most of the countries we studied, our approach cannot distinguish their individual effects And: > (iii) Our results cannot be used without qualification to predict the effect of lifting NPIs. For example, closing schools and universities in conjunction seems to have greatly reduced transmission, but this does not mean that reopening them will necessarily cause infections to soar. Like stated above, this doesn't prove or disprove a negative. If someone comes out with a direct, causative relationship between re-opening schools and increased infections, and that is reproducible, sure, make policy decisions based on that information. But otherwise, if we are blindly making decisions that can affect the health and development of children, we better have data to back up those decisions.
    - esyir 6y ago
      The clear solution is to test. Look for a suitable district that wants to open up the schools, open them up for a bit and do a rapid lockdown if it instigates an outbreak.
- AshWolfy 6y ago
  Thats not true when it comes to public health, often it is better policy to act as though the worst case scenario is true, because the consequences of overreacting are far less bad than the consequences of underreacting
- wizzard 6y ago
  It's a pet peeve of mine for people to make a bold statement like "Covid barely spreads through children" when there's no scientific consensus yet. I want it to be true, but it would be pretty incredible if it were. There are probably other factors at play.
Izkata 6y ago
> Kids are asymptomatic Yeah, and that's why it's not really a thing. Large amounts of asymptomatic spread turned out to be an early fear that wasn't true: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-pat...

CodeMage 6y ago

Tell that to Brazil: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/346632665_Coronavirus_Disease-19_deaths_among_children_and_adolescents_in_an_area_of_Northeast_Brazil_why_so_many https://www.researchgate.net/publication/346632665_Coronavir...