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Particularly in the context of low-resolution pixelated graphics using a limited color palette, WebP seems a strictly inferior choice to the universally-support

Particularly in the context of low-resolution pixelated graphics using a limited color palette, WebP seems a strictly inferior choice to the universally-supported GIF.

loloquwowndueo 6y ago
Burn all gifs https://burnallgifs.org/archives/ https://burnallgifs.org/archives/
- RodgerTheGreat 6y ago
  If I follow, you are suggesting that web users protest a format that has been in the public domain for 17 years by instead using a format which has existed for less than 3, and in the process render content inaccessible to anyone not using a bleeding-edge browser?
  - loloquwowndueo 6y ago
    I suggest we burn all gifs. Whether that leads to what you said is for you and others to decide :)
digitalsushi 6y ago
I mean all the licensing and incompatibility questions aside, one very cool thing about these newer formats is they (intentionally? unintentionally?) reduce our carbon footprint a little bit, by trying to save delivery costs. It would be pretty neat if my mac could make a thumbnail of a webp on my desktop, though. I mean without installing software, overriding security policies, or turning it into a developer laptop.
- gmueckl 6y ago
  Is there a good data set on energy requirements for transmission versus compression/decompression of data? Is it really that much in favor of compressed data?
- RodgerTheGreat 6y ago
  As a concrete comparison, I downloaded the first webp figure on the page, "soft-drop-animation. The webp is 63,250 bytes. I used imagemagick to convert this file into a gif, resulting in a 119,265 byte file. I then ran the result through gifsicle[0] with maximum compression (-O3) to losslessly optimize it, producing a gif that is 29,711 bytes; less than half of the size of the original webp. As I noted higher on the comment chain, this usage scenario is particularly favorable to the gif format, while webp might come out ahead for photographic sources. [0] https://www.lcdf.org/gifsicle/man.html https://www.lcdf.org/gifsicle/man.html

Particularly in the context of low-resolution pixelated graphics using a limited color palette, WebP seems a strictly inferior choice to the universally-supported GIF.

loloquwowndueo 6y ago

Burn all gifs https://burnallgifs.org/archives/ https://burnallgifs.org/archives/

RodgerTheGreat 6y ago
If I follow, you are suggesting that web users protest a format that has been in the public domain for 17 years by instead using a format which has existed for less than 3, and in the process render content inaccessible to anyone not using a bleeding-edge browser?
- loloquwowndueo 6y ago
  I suggest we burn all gifs. Whether that leads to what you said is for you and others to decide :)

digitalsushi 6y ago

I mean all the licensing and incompatibility questions aside, one very cool thing about these newer formats is they (intentionally? unintentionally?) reduce our carbon footprint a little bit, by trying to save delivery costs. It would be pretty neat if my mac could make a thumbnail of a webp on my desktop, though. I mean without installing software, overriding security policies, or turning it into a developer laptop.

gmueckl 6y ago
Is there a good data set on energy requirements for transmission versus compression/decompression of data? Is it really that much in favor of compressed data?
RodgerTheGreat 6y ago
As a concrete comparison, I downloaded the first webp figure on the page, "soft-drop-animation. The webp is 63,250 bytes. I used imagemagick to convert this file into a gif, resulting in a 119,265 byte file. I then ran the result through gifsicle[0] with maximum compression (-O3) to losslessly optimize it, producing a gif that is 29,711 bytes; less than half of the size of the original webp. As I noted higher on the comment chain, this usage scenario is particularly favorable to the gif format, while webp might come out ahead for photographic sources. [0] https://www.lcdf.org/gifsicle/man.html https://www.lcdf.org/gifsicle/man.html