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Also for selfish reasons. I know a 24 year old ballerina (so a professional athlete) who had it two months ago and is now at 80% lung capacity.

outside1234 6y ago
And to pile on this, I know a triathelete in my group, 24 years old, who had it in April of LAST YEAR and is still not at 100% (can't do any hard aerobics without getting wildly out of breath). We are still in a pandemic. Stay distant.
- anedcata 6y ago
  It used to be common to reply to this sort of fear mongering with "anecdotes aren't data." Cool anecdote, bro. Sorry for that person you, a random internet person I have no reason to trust, allegedly know, who is very, very unlucky. The people in power want us to stay afraid and easy to control. Fauci says vaccines work but doesn't trust them enough to stop going into public with TWO masks! Despite being vaccinated! Why would I get a vaccine that doesn't quell the fears of "the nation's top doctor" enough for him to stop wearing the masks? Or are the masks just for show? We may still be in a pandemic but it's time to stop panicking, face the danger, and get on with society and our lives before we cause bigger problems like famine societal breakdown! Some people may die of COVID in the process, but someone is going to die no matter what choice we make, from deprivation, from isolation, from side effects, from economic distress COVID might suck but there are far worse things, I think it's safe to say, after a year, this thing isn't Ebola. Now commence downvoting to show you disagree! Surely it will change my mind this time!
  - inglor_cz 6y ago
    I did not downvote you, but I feel need to comment on this: "COVID might suck but there are far worse things" Compared to, say, Auschwitz, everything else is trivial. But that is misleading. The dead are, well, dead, but we do not yet know how the survivors of severe Covid cases will fare long term. Given that the cohort was fairly big, they may constitute a significant challenge for healthcare capacities. Even in warfare, crippling an enemy soldier alive is considered more efficient than killing him outright. A disabled survivor requires much more energy and attention than a dead body.
  - meepmorp 6y ago
    > Now commence downvoting to show you disagree! Surely it will change my mind this time! I downvoted you because you obviously do not care at all about downvotes.
  - paulryanrogers 6y ago
    Isn't mask wearing still required after vaccination because of the enforcement costs? I.e. it's too difficult to prove whose been vaccinated in every situation, so by requiring masks until the community reaches the target threshold
    - okaram 6y ago
      Most places don require masks at all. The recommendation (for now) is to keep wearing mask as before. I assume this will change as/if/when more people become vaccinated.
      - brianwawok 6y ago
        Mask rules will change as active cases fall. There is a 10-30% of the population that refuse vaccines for political reasons. All we can hope for is everyone else getting the vaccine, and most of the anti-science people getting immunities via an infection.
    - ocdtrekkie 6y ago
      Think it's still preferable just because vaccinated people can still catch and potentially spread it, and the risk of exposure is still pretty high due to all the people not vaccinated.
    - splitrocket 6y ago
      Vaccination is variolating: it lessens the impact of the infection, not preventing the infection, and thus the potential to be contagious. A vaccinated person who has been infected is still contagious, just less so than an unvaccinated person.
  - Tade0 6y ago
    > Or are the masks just for show? The masks are so that the wearer doesn't infect and the vaccine is there to help the immune system fight COVID, not prevent infection entirely.
  - oliwarner 6y ago
    These anecdotes are useful to remind us that many covid survivors still suffer from its damage. The data doesn't quantify these things yet, so cynical people, maybe people especially like you, might do well to pay them attention. Just because you're unlikely to die from covid, doesn't mean you won't be part of the 10% who retain symptoms past 3 months. It's not a binary outcome.
    - irq11 6y ago
      Here’s the problem: you cite anecdotes of second- and third-hand stories that are exceptional at best, implausible at worst, then you claim these to be representative of the common case. They are not. There have now been hundreds of millions of infections, worldwide. Of these, the vast majority (>99.9%) resolve with no major sequelae. These are facts. People need to know this.
      - sdenton4 6y ago
        'Earlier studies focused largely on long-term effects in hospitalized COVID patients, McCulloch noted. "Our study is unique in characterizing a group consisting of mostly outpatients: 90% of our cohort experienced only a mild COVID-19 illness, yet one-third continue to have lingering effects," she said. '"Many of these individuals are young and have no pre-existing medical conditions, indicating that even relatively healthy individuals may face long-term impacts from their illness."' https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/91270 https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/91270 0.01%, 33%... Basically a rounding error, right?
        irq11 6y ago
        So your best evidence of this phenomenon is an uncontrolled survey of people who knew they had covid, asking them if they feel bad? And the most commonly reported symptom is hypertension, at 13%? I’ll let the researchers do the talking here: ”Study limitations include small sample size, single study location, and potential bias from self-reported symptoms, the researchers acknowledged.” This is certainly not a rebuttal to the fact that there have been hundreds of millions of infections globally, yet the cumulative evidence for “long covid” continues to be a vague constellation of self-reported, mostly mild symptoms in a tiny fraction of people. If even .1% of 100M infections had severe, long-lasting damage, it wouldn’t be a debate. There would be hundreds of thousands of people to point to.
  - mbrameld 6y ago
    Answering these two questions will help you uncover the errors in your thought process: 1. Are masks suggested to protect the wearer from contracting the virus or to prevent the wearer from spreading the virus? 2. Are vaccinated individuals still able to host and transmit the virus, despite not contracting the disease caused by the virus?
    - WalterBright 6y ago
      > Are vaccinated individuals still able to host and transmit the virus, despite not contracting the disease caused by the virus? If that is the case, herd immunity cannot be achieved with vaccinations.
      - simonh 6y ago
        Even if vaccinated people can contract the virus, they are likely to fight it off relatively quickly and keep the virus load in their bodes low, keeping their chances of transmitting it much lower than an unvaccinated person would. Lets say being vaccinated halves your chances of passing on the virus compared to an unvaccinated person. If almost all the population get vaccinated, we can ease the lockdown to the point where we tolerate doubling the chances of re-infection. The lockdown easing and vaccination effect should cancel out. If vaccination reduces your chances of passing on the virus by 10x, then we can tolerate a 10x increased risk due to easing lockdown measures. Worst case we may have to retain some limitations in social contact for a bit longer, but hopefully nowhere near as onerous or we've had to so far.
        WalterBright 6y ago
        But if the vaccines don't prevent infection, you won't achieve herd immunity until 70% have been infected one way or another.
        brianwawok 6y ago
        Israel data doesn’t make this look to be the case. I don’t see any evidence this is the case.
- Moto7451 6y ago
  I have a coworker that never went to the ICU but can no longer taste or smell. Their family was never at a high risk and only felt normally sick. None the less the damage is done. No one wants to be maimed by this. Claiming “I’m not high risk (of death)” does not mean there is no risk of damage. We all need to do our part to stop the spread of the virus.
  - bredren 6y ago
    We have a friend in their late 30s who also never went to the hospital but got sick with covid five months ago. They have yet to regain their sense of taste or smell.
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rcpt 6y ago
This kind of thing isn't rare https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(20)30462-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0...
oblio 6y ago
And the even more selfish evolutionary reason: viruses mutate. If we spread it a ton while it's still "safe" for someone young, we're risking major mutations. It's like playing Russian roulette with 8+ billion bullets x probably millions/billions of viruses per person. We just need one strain to go to something like 5% mortality + mortality across all age groups for this pandemic to become a civilization ending event. Maybe not ending, but "setting back by 20-40-60 years" event.
throwaway122378 6y ago
Here we go with the “I know someone that...” stories. Stories aren’t science. Statically those are extremely rare side effects.

outside1234 6y ago

And to pile on this, I know a triathelete in my group, 24 years old, who had it in April of LAST YEAR and is still not at 100% (can't do any hard aerobics without getting wildly out of breath). We are still in a pandemic. Stay distant.

anedcata 6y ago
It used to be common to reply to this sort of fear mongering with "anecdotes aren't data." Cool anecdote, bro. Sorry for that person you, a random internet person I have no reason to trust, allegedly know, who is very, very unlucky. The people in power want us to stay afraid and easy to control. Fauci says vaccines work but doesn't trust them enough to stop going into public with TWO masks! Despite being vaccinated! Why would I get a vaccine that doesn't quell the fears of "the nation's top doctor" enough for him to stop wearing the masks? Or are the masks just for show? We may still be in a pandemic but it's time to stop panicking, face the danger, and get on with society and our lives before we cause bigger problems like famine societal breakdown! Some people may die of COVID in the process, but someone is going to die no matter what choice we make, from deprivation, from isolation, from side effects, from economic distress COVID might suck but there are far worse things, I think it's safe to say, after a year, this thing isn't Ebola. Now commence downvoting to show you disagree! Surely it will change my mind this time!
- inglor_cz 6y ago
  I did not downvote you, but I feel need to comment on this: "COVID might suck but there are far worse things" Compared to, say, Auschwitz, everything else is trivial. But that is misleading. The dead are, well, dead, but we do not yet know how the survivors of severe Covid cases will fare long term. Given that the cohort was fairly big, they may constitute a significant challenge for healthcare capacities. Even in warfare, crippling an enemy soldier alive is considered more efficient than killing him outright. A disabled survivor requires much more energy and attention than a dead body.
- meepmorp 6y ago
  > Now commence downvoting to show you disagree! Surely it will change my mind this time! I downvoted you because you obviously do not care at all about downvotes.
- paulryanrogers 6y ago
  Isn't mask wearing still required after vaccination because of the enforcement costs? I.e. it's too difficult to prove whose been vaccinated in every situation, so by requiring masks until the community reaches the target threshold
  - okaram 6y ago
    Most places don require masks at all. The recommendation (for now) is to keep wearing mask as before. I assume this will change as/if/when more people become vaccinated.
    - brianwawok 6y ago
      Mask rules will change as active cases fall. There is a 10-30% of the population that refuse vaccines for political reasons. All we can hope for is everyone else getting the vaccine, and most of the anti-science people getting immunities via an infection.
  - ocdtrekkie 6y ago
    Think it's still preferable just because vaccinated people can still catch and potentially spread it, and the risk of exposure is still pretty high due to all the people not vaccinated.
  - splitrocket 6y ago
    Vaccination is variolating: it lessens the impact of the infection, not preventing the infection, and thus the potential to be contagious. A vaccinated person who has been infected is still contagious, just less so than an unvaccinated person.
- Tade0 6y ago
  > Or are the masks just for show? The masks are so that the wearer doesn't infect and the vaccine is there to help the immune system fight COVID, not prevent infection entirely.
- oliwarner 6y ago
  These anecdotes are useful to remind us that many covid survivors still suffer from its damage. The data doesn't quantify these things yet, so cynical people, maybe people especially like you, might do well to pay them attention. Just because you're unlikely to die from covid, doesn't mean you won't be part of the 10% who retain symptoms past 3 months. It's not a binary outcome.
  - irq11 6y ago
    Here’s the problem: you cite anecdotes of second- and third-hand stories that are exceptional at best, implausible at worst, then you claim these to be representative of the common case. They are not. There have now been hundreds of millions of infections, worldwide. Of these, the vast majority (>99.9%) resolve with no major sequelae. These are facts. People need to know this.
    - sdenton4 6y ago
      'Earlier studies focused largely on long-term effects in hospitalized COVID patients, McCulloch noted. "Our study is unique in characterizing a group consisting of mostly outpatients: 90% of our cohort experienced only a mild COVID-19 illness, yet one-third continue to have lingering effects," she said. '"Many of these individuals are young and have no pre-existing medical conditions, indicating that even relatively healthy individuals may face long-term impacts from their illness."' https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/91270 https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/covid19/91270 0.01%, 33%... Basically a rounding error, right?
      - irq11 6y ago
        So your best evidence of this phenomenon is an uncontrolled survey of people who knew they had covid, asking them if they feel bad? And the most commonly reported symptom is hypertension, at 13%? I’ll let the researchers do the talking here: ”Study limitations include small sample size, single study location, and potential bias from self-reported symptoms, the researchers acknowledged.” This is certainly not a rebuttal to the fact that there have been hundreds of millions of infections globally, yet the cumulative evidence for “long covid” continues to be a vague constellation of self-reported, mostly mild symptoms in a tiny fraction of people. If even .1% of 100M infections had severe, long-lasting damage, it wouldn’t be a debate. There would be hundreds of thousands of people to point to.
- mbrameld 6y ago
  Answering these two questions will help you uncover the errors in your thought process: 1. Are masks suggested to protect the wearer from contracting the virus or to prevent the wearer from spreading the virus? 2. Are vaccinated individuals still able to host and transmit the virus, despite not contracting the disease caused by the virus?
  - WalterBright 6y ago
    > Are vaccinated individuals still able to host and transmit the virus, despite not contracting the disease caused by the virus? If that is the case, herd immunity cannot be achieved with vaccinations.
    - simonh 6y ago
      Even if vaccinated people can contract the virus, they are likely to fight it off relatively quickly and keep the virus load in their bodes low, keeping their chances of transmitting it much lower than an unvaccinated person would. Lets say being vaccinated halves your chances of passing on the virus compared to an unvaccinated person. If almost all the population get vaccinated, we can ease the lockdown to the point where we tolerate doubling the chances of re-infection. The lockdown easing and vaccination effect should cancel out. If vaccination reduces your chances of passing on the virus by 10x, then we can tolerate a 10x increased risk due to easing lockdown measures. Worst case we may have to retain some limitations in social contact for a bit longer, but hopefully nowhere near as onerous or we've had to so far.
      - WalterBright 6y ago
        But if the vaccines don't prevent infection, you won't achieve herd immunity until 70% have been infected one way or another.
        brianwawok 6y ago
        Israel data doesn’t make this look to be the case. I don’t see any evidence this is the case.
Moto7451 6y ago
I have a coworker that never went to the ICU but can no longer taste or smell. Their family was never at a high risk and only felt normally sick. None the less the damage is done. No one wants to be maimed by this. Claiming “I’m not high risk (of death)” does not mean there is no risk of damage. We all need to do our part to stop the spread of the virus.
- bredren 6y ago
  We have a friend in their late 30s who also never went to the hospital but got sick with covid five months ago. They have yet to regain their sense of taste or smell.
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rcpt 6y ago

This kind of thing isn't rare https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(20)30462-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0...

oblio 6y ago

And the even more selfish evolutionary reason: viruses mutate. If we spread it a ton while it's still "safe" for someone young, we're risking major mutations. It's like playing Russian roulette with 8+ billion bullets x probably millions/billions of viruses per person. We just need one strain to go to something like 5% mortality + mortality across all age groups for this pandemic to become a civilization ending event. Maybe not ending, but "setting back by 20-40-60 years" event.

throwaway122378 6y ago

Here we go with the “I know someone that...” stories. Stories aren’t science. Statically those are extremely rare side effects.