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For people arguing that not being part of a risk group is a reason not to protect yourself, please take a lesson from brazil. Being part of a 'high risk group'

For people arguing that not being part of a risk group is a reason not to protect yourself, please take a lesson from brazil. Being part of a 'high risk group' does not saves you from infecting other people who are part of such groups. That's basically what happened in brazil: people who were not part of risk groups crowded, encouraged by the president himself[0][1][2]. The number of infected poeple soared and variants that affect younger people appeared[3][4]. The health system has now collapsed because there is not enough ICU for such a high number of ill people[5][6]. [0] https://www.em.com.br/app/noticia/politica/2021/02/26/interna_politica,1241415/ignorando-a-covid-19-bolsonaro-esteve-em-7-aglomeracoes-em-4-dias.shtml https://www.em.com.br/app/noticia/politica/2021/02/26/intern... [1] https://noticias.uol.com.br/politica/ultimas-noticias/2021/02/19/bolsonaro-volta-a-provocar-aglomeracao-em-visita-ao-nordeste.htm https://noticias.uol.com.br/politica/ultimas-noticias/2021/0... [2] https://cultura.uol.com.br/noticias/15258_bolsonaro-mergulha-na-praia-grande-e-causa-aglomeracao-com-banhistas.html https://cultura.uol.com.br/noticias/15258_bolsonaro-mergulha... [3] https://www.cartacapital.com.br/saude/segunda-onda-de-covid-19-no-brasil-ataca-cada-vez-mais-jovens/ https://www.cartacapital.com.br/saude/segunda-onda-de-covid-... [4] https://www.brasildefato.com.br/2021/03/19/tres-novas-cepas-identificadas-no-brasil-sao-mais-potentes-e-transmissiveis https://www.brasildefato.com.br/2021/03/19/tres-novas-cepas-... [5] https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/saude/2021/03/19/17-estados-e-o-df-estao-em-colapso-na-saude-mt-ms-rs-e-rr-nao-tem-mais-leitos https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/saude/2021/03/19/17-estados-e-o... [6] https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/saude/2021/03/19/em-meio-ao-colapso-do-sistema-de-saude-faltam-medicos-intensivistas-nas-utis https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/saude/2021/03/19/em-meio-ao-col...

mherrmann 6y ago
Also for selfish reasons. I know a 24 year old ballerina (so a professional athlete) who had it two months ago and is now at 80% lung capacity.
- outside1234 6y ago
  And to pile on this, I know a triathelete in my group, 24 years old, who had it in April of LAST YEAR and is still not at 100% (can't do any hard aerobics without getting wildly out of breath). We are still in a pandemic. Stay distant.
  - anedcata 6y ago
    It used to be common to reply to this sort of fear mongering with "anecdotes aren't data." Cool anecdote, bro. Sorry for that person you, a random internet person I have no reason to trust, allegedly know, who is very, very unlucky. The people in power want us to stay afraid and easy to control. Fauci says vaccines work but doesn't trust them enough to stop going into public with TWO masks! Despite being vaccinated! Why would I get a vaccine that doesn't quell the fears of "the nation's top doctor" enough for him to stop wearing the masks? Or are the masks just for show? We may still be in a pandemic but it's time to stop panicking, face the danger, and get on with society and our lives before we cause bigger problems like famine societal breakdown! Some people may die of COVID in the process, but someone is going to die no matter what choice we make, from deprivation, from isolation, from side effects, from economic distress COVID might suck but there are far worse things, I think it's safe to say, after a year, this thing isn't Ebola. Now commence downvoting to show you disagree! Surely it will change my mind this time!
    - inglor_cz 6y ago
      I did not downvote you, but I feel need to comment on this: "COVID might suck but there are far worse things" Compared to, say, Auschwitz, everything else is trivial. But that is misleading. The dead are, well, dead, but we do not yet know how the survivors of severe Covid cases will fare long term. Given that the cohort was fairly big, they may constitute a significant challenge for healthcare capacities. Even in warfare, crippling an enemy soldier alive is considered more efficient than killing him outright. A disabled survivor requires much more energy and attention than a dead body.
    - meepmorp 6y ago
      > Now commence downvoting to show you disagree! Surely it will change my mind this time! I downvoted you because you obviously do not care at all about downvotes.
    - paulryanrogers 6y ago
      Isn't mask wearing still required after vaccination because of the enforcement costs? I.e. it's too difficult to prove whose been vaccinated in every situation, so by requiring masks until the community reaches the target threshold
- deleted 6y ago
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- rcpt 6y ago
  This kind of thing isn't rare https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(20)30462-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0...
- oblio 6y ago
  And the even more selfish evolutionary reason: viruses mutate. If we spread it a ton while it's still "safe" for someone young, we're risking major mutations. It's like playing Russian roulette with 8+ billion bullets x probably millions/billions of viruses per person. We just need one strain to go to something like 5% mortality + mortality across all age groups for this pandemic to become a civilization ending event. Maybe not ending, but "setting back by 20-40-60 years" event.
- throwaway122378 6y ago
  Here we go with the “I know someone that...” stories. Stories aren’t science. Statically those are extremely rare side effects.
Tagbert 6y ago
I am hearing from friends and family in Brasil that the Brasilian variant is more severe among younger victims than the original COVID version. There is an increase of deaths among twenty-year-olds as a result.
- paulryanrogers 6y ago
  All the more reason to stop all strains as soon as possible. If more contagious strains can be knocked below the sustainability threshold then they'll die out too.
  - irq11 6y ago
    It is not possible to stop all strains. SARS-CoV2 has multiple zoonotic reservoirs, transmits easily, and persists in the population via asymptomatic infection. We have eradicated one human virus in all of history, and it took a highly effective vaccine and a hundred years. The long tail is very long.
    - hu3 6y ago
      Curious, what virus we eradicated?
      - celrod 6y ago
        Smallpox.
      - anoncake 6y ago
        Smallpox. Except for some samples in secure laboratories.
      - dillondoyle 6y ago
        Smallpox. I think we're close on polio?
        oblio 6y ago
anoncake 6y ago
So getting vaccinated saves me from infecting the people who have stolen more than a year of my life? I'll pass.
pelasaco 6y ago
Sure, the president is responsible for that too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3osqOIT7SQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3osqOIT7SQ ? One thing is poor people arguing to have to work. Other thing is this "funk train".. The video is from yesterday. You can count, like 2 or 3 masks on the train.

mherrmann 6y ago

Also for selfish reasons. I know a 24 year old ballerina (so a professional athlete) who had it two months ago and is now at 80% lung capacity.

outside1234 6y ago
And to pile on this, I know a triathelete in my group, 24 years old, who had it in April of LAST YEAR and is still not at 100% (can't do any hard aerobics without getting wildly out of breath). We are still in a pandemic. Stay distant.
- anedcata 6y ago
  It used to be common to reply to this sort of fear mongering with "anecdotes aren't data." Cool anecdote, bro. Sorry for that person you, a random internet person I have no reason to trust, allegedly know, who is very, very unlucky. The people in power want us to stay afraid and easy to control. Fauci says vaccines work but doesn't trust them enough to stop going into public with TWO masks! Despite being vaccinated! Why would I get a vaccine that doesn't quell the fears of "the nation's top doctor" enough for him to stop wearing the masks? Or are the masks just for show? We may still be in a pandemic but it's time to stop panicking, face the danger, and get on with society and our lives before we cause bigger problems like famine societal breakdown! Some people may die of COVID in the process, but someone is going to die no matter what choice we make, from deprivation, from isolation, from side effects, from economic distress COVID might suck but there are far worse things, I think it's safe to say, after a year, this thing isn't Ebola. Now commence downvoting to show you disagree! Surely it will change my mind this time!
  - inglor_cz 6y ago
    I did not downvote you, but I feel need to comment on this: "COVID might suck but there are far worse things" Compared to, say, Auschwitz, everything else is trivial. But that is misleading. The dead are, well, dead, but we do not yet know how the survivors of severe Covid cases will fare long term. Given that the cohort was fairly big, they may constitute a significant challenge for healthcare capacities. Even in warfare, crippling an enemy soldier alive is considered more efficient than killing him outright. A disabled survivor requires much more energy and attention than a dead body.
  - meepmorp 6y ago
    > Now commence downvoting to show you disagree! Surely it will change my mind this time! I downvoted you because you obviously do not care at all about downvotes.
  - paulryanrogers 6y ago
    Isn't mask wearing still required after vaccination because of the enforcement costs? I.e. it's too difficult to prove whose been vaccinated in every situation, so by requiring masks until the community reaches the target threshold
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rcpt 6y ago
This kind of thing isn't rare https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0366(20)30462-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-0...
oblio 6y ago
And the even more selfish evolutionary reason: viruses mutate. If we spread it a ton while it's still "safe" for someone young, we're risking major mutations. It's like playing Russian roulette with 8+ billion bullets x probably millions/billions of viruses per person. We just need one strain to go to something like 5% mortality + mortality across all age groups for this pandemic to become a civilization ending event. Maybe not ending, but "setting back by 20-40-60 years" event.
throwaway122378 6y ago
Here we go with the “I know someone that...” stories. Stories aren’t science. Statically those are extremely rare side effects.

Tagbert 6y ago

I am hearing from friends and family in Brasil that the Brasilian variant is more severe among younger victims than the original COVID version. There is an increase of deaths among twenty-year-olds as a result.

paulryanrogers 6y ago
All the more reason to stop all strains as soon as possible. If more contagious strains can be knocked below the sustainability threshold then they'll die out too.
- irq11 6y ago
  It is not possible to stop all strains. SARS-CoV2 has multiple zoonotic reservoirs, transmits easily, and persists in the population via asymptomatic infection. We have eradicated one human virus in all of history, and it took a highly effective vaccine and a hundred years. The long tail is very long.
  - hu3 6y ago
    Curious, what virus we eradicated?
    - celrod 6y ago
      Smallpox.
    - anoncake 6y ago
      Smallpox. Except for some samples in secure laboratories.
    - dillondoyle 6y ago
      Smallpox. I think we're close on polio?
      - oblio 6y ago

anoncake 6y ago

So getting vaccinated saves me from infecting the people who have stolen more than a year of my life? I'll pass.

pelasaco 6y ago

Sure, the president is responsible for that too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3osqOIT7SQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3osqOIT7SQ ? One thing is poor people arguing to have to work. Other thing is this "funk train".. The video is from yesterday. You can count, like 2 or 3 masks on the train.