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Microsoft halts rollout of Windows 10 KB5001649 emergency update

rkagerer 6y ago
Someone at Microsoft needs to screw their head on straight and admit their experiment in "continuous updates" has failed. They thought they could push toward the frequent cadence competitors like Google have hit with Chrome, but they don't have the code foundations or organizational culture to make that work. Random updates borking your PC and unwanted telemetry that's whackamole to keep disabled are two reasons I avoid Windows 10 like the plague. When they finally change course and release Windows 11 maybe I'll come back and have a look. - After the release of the March 2021 Windows 10 KB5000802 and KB5000808 cumulative updates, users began experiencing "APC_INDEX_MISMATCH for win32kfull.sys" BSOD crashes when printing. - Microsoft released the emergency out-of-band update KB5001567 ... while this update fixed the bug causing Windows 10 to crash when printing, it did not resolve the other issues users experienced ... missing text and graphics. - To fix the remaining issues, Microsoft released a second OOB emergency update on March 18th, known as KB5001649 ... it replaced the previously offered KB5001567 update. - Starting today, Microsoft appears to have paused the rollout of KB5001649 ... devices are now offered the KB5001567 update released earlier this week instead. - Microsoft has not provided any official reason for the pause, and the KB5001649 support bulletin has not been updated with any information. Furthermore, the update is still available via the Microsoft Update Catalog, just no longer via Windows Update. - The rollout has likely been paused due to the many reports [1, 2, 3, 4, 5] of users receiving a "We couldn't install this update, but you can try again (0x80070541)" error ... Another possible reason is that people are still crashing when printing with this update installed. What a mess.
- bennysonething 6y ago
  Yeah an update destroyed my install. Luckily I have an msdn license and can just download another copy of win 10. I wasted hours trying to fix it.
  - muro 6y ago
    You can download another copy of windows anytime and install it as long as you have a licence so no MSDN necessary.
    - sn_master 6y ago
      yup, afaik MS even has (had?) their own torrents for Windows with MS servers acting as seeds to verify its authenticity.
    - calvano915 6y ago
      Assuming that the license is linked to MS/live account and not local on machine. Though it may still activate if it was present on a machine before.
      - zamadatix 6y ago
        Even in the case of a local machine you don't need an account/license to download and install the ISO from https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 and it will automatically activate once it connects to the internet. Even if it can't connect to the internet after install it acts fully licensed, it's only once it connects and finds your copy isn't activated by any available means that it disables... the theming personalization page as a result! Microsoft decided it was worth more to their brand to ensure people were getting legitimate copies of Windows with updates than the money they could get from trying to squeeze home user pirates.
  - comprambler 6y ago
    The license code is digitally added to your UEFI bios when you activate Windows. There are even tools to retrieve the key. As long as your computer isn’t significantly different (motherboard change) than the last time your pc checked in with the MS licensing servers you do not need to enter in a key ever again on that machine when reinstalling the OS.
    - 6y ago
- GeekyBear 6y ago
  > Someone at Microsoft needs to screw their head on straight and admit their experiment in "continuous updates" has failed. Getting rid of the team that used to run tests on real hardware certainly didn't help. >Microsoft laid off almost the entire Windows Test team as it moved the focus from three different systems -- Windows, Windows Mobile and Xbox -- to a single system. The company moved most of the testing to virtual machines and this meant according to Berg that tests were no longer conducted on real and diverse hardware configurations for the most part. The teams ran the tests on "real" hardware in a lab through automated testing. The machines had different hardware components, e.g. processors, hard drives, video and sound cards, and other components to cover a wide range of system configurations, and this meant that bugs that affected only certain hardware components or configurations were detected in the process. https://www.ghacks.net/2019/09/23/former-microsoft-employee-explains-why-bugs-in-windows-updates-increased/ https://www.ghacks.net/2019/09/23/former-microsoft-employee-...
  - tinus_hn 6y ago
    > Getting rid of the team that used to run tests on real hardware They replaced it with the largest team they could find, their paying customers!
- waiseristy 6y ago
  They managed to bring MS Team's and other vast portions of their authentication infrastructure down twice in the last year due to pushing changes through the pipeline as well. I don't know what the hell is going on over in Redmond.
sn_master 6y ago
25+ years of Windows updates, and still these issues keep happening :(
- ihalip 6y ago
  From what I've seen, just about every OS has the same issues with updates nowadays. If you think about it, if an update reaches 1.000.000 users, and 0.1% percent of them have an issue with it, that's 1.000 people who have to waste hours getting their system back up (and potentially recover lost data, if it's even possible).
  - GeekyBear 6y ago
    What other OS has shipped update bugs that deleted user data for the last three years in a row?
  - sn_master 6y ago
    Yes, but MS has three decades of experience and unlimited resources. You'd expect they have better setup to catch regression bugs.
    - jlgaddis 6y ago
      > You'd expect they have better setup to catch regression bugs. They did... then, AIUI, they eliminated the entire department... and here we are.
  - BelenusMordred 6y ago
    Debian doesn't have problems like this despite being mainly built by volunteers and living off donations.

Someone at Microsoft needs to screw their head on straight and admit their experiment in "continuous updates" has failed. They thought they could push toward the frequent cadence competitors like Google have hit with Chrome, but they don't have the code foundations or organizational culture to make that work. Random updates borking your PC and unwanted telemetry that's whackamole to keep disabled are two reasons I avoid Windows 10 like the plague. When they finally change course and release Windows 11 maybe I'll come back and have a look. - After the release of the March 2021 Windows 10 KB5000802 and KB5000808 cumulative updates, users began experiencing "APC_INDEX_MISMATCH for win32kfull.sys" BSOD crashes when printing. - Microsoft released the emergency out-of-band update KB5001567 ... while this update fixed the bug causing Windows 10 to crash when printing, it did not resolve the other issues users experienced ... missing text and graphics. - To fix the remaining issues, Microsoft released a second OOB emergency update on March 18th, known as KB5001649 ... it replaced the previously offered KB5001567 update. - Starting today, Microsoft appears to have paused the rollout of KB5001649 ... devices are now offered the KB5001567 update released earlier this week instead. - Microsoft has not provided any official reason for the pause, and the KB5001649 support bulletin has not been updated with any information. Furthermore, the update is still available via the Microsoft Update Catalog, just no longer via Windows Update. - The rollout has likely been paused due to the many reports [1, 2, 3, 4, 5] of users receiving a "We couldn't install this update, but you can try again (0x80070541)" error ... Another possible reason is that people are still crashing when printing with this update installed. What a mess.

bennysonething 6y ago
Yeah an update destroyed my install. Luckily I have an msdn license and can just download another copy of win 10. I wasted hours trying to fix it.
- muro 6y ago
  You can download another copy of windows anytime and install it as long as you have a licence so no MSDN necessary.
  - sn_master 6y ago
    yup, afaik MS even has (had?) their own torrents for Windows with MS servers acting as seeds to verify its authenticity.
  - calvano915 6y ago
    Assuming that the license is linked to MS/live account and not local on machine. Though it may still activate if it was present on a machine before.
    - zamadatix 6y ago
      Even in the case of a local machine you don't need an account/license to download and install the ISO from https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 and it will automatically activate once it connects to the internet. Even if it can't connect to the internet after install it acts fully licensed, it's only once it connects and finds your copy isn't activated by any available means that it disables... the theming personalization page as a result! Microsoft decided it was worth more to their brand to ensure people were getting legitimate copies of Windows with updates than the money they could get from trying to squeeze home user pirates.
- comprambler 6y ago
  The license code is digitally added to your UEFI bios when you activate Windows. There are even tools to retrieve the key. As long as your computer isn’t significantly different (motherboard change) than the last time your pc checked in with the MS licensing servers you do not need to enter in a key ever again on that machine when reinstalling the OS.
  - 6y ago
GeekyBear 6y ago
> Someone at Microsoft needs to screw their head on straight and admit their experiment in "continuous updates" has failed. Getting rid of the team that used to run tests on real hardware certainly didn't help. >Microsoft laid off almost the entire Windows Test team as it moved the focus from three different systems -- Windows, Windows Mobile and Xbox -- to a single system. The company moved most of the testing to virtual machines and this meant according to Berg that tests were no longer conducted on real and diverse hardware configurations for the most part. The teams ran the tests on "real" hardware in a lab through automated testing. The machines had different hardware components, e.g. processors, hard drives, video and sound cards, and other components to cover a wide range of system configurations, and this meant that bugs that affected only certain hardware components or configurations were detected in the process. https://www.ghacks.net/2019/09/23/former-microsoft-employee-explains-why-bugs-in-windows-updates-increased/ https://www.ghacks.net/2019/09/23/former-microsoft-employee-...
- tinus_hn 6y ago
  > Getting rid of the team that used to run tests on real hardware They replaced it with the largest team they could find, their paying customers!
waiseristy 6y ago
They managed to bring MS Team's and other vast portions of their authentication infrastructure down twice in the last year due to pushing changes through the pipeline as well. I don't know what the hell is going on over in Redmond.

sn_master 6y ago

25+ years of Windows updates, and still these issues keep happening :(

ihalip 6y ago
From what I've seen, just about every OS has the same issues with updates nowadays. If you think about it, if an update reaches 1.000.000 users, and 0.1% percent of them have an issue with it, that's 1.000 people who have to waste hours getting their system back up (and potentially recover lost data, if it's even possible).
- GeekyBear 6y ago
  What other OS has shipped update bugs that deleted user data for the last three years in a row?
- sn_master 6y ago
  Yes, but MS has three decades of experience and unlimited resources. You'd expect they have better setup to catch regression bugs.
  - jlgaddis 6y ago
    > You'd expect they have better setup to catch regression bugs. They did... then, AIUI, they eliminated the entire department... and here we are.
- BelenusMordred 6y ago
  Debian doesn't have problems like this despite being mainly built by volunteers and living off donations.