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It really depends on what you classify as a key? For the F16 there are countless pins and blocks that need to be removed before the plane is ready for the pilot

It really depends on what you classify as a key? For the F16 there are countless pins and blocks that need to be removed before the plane is ready for the pilot to come start it up. They're not really put key in hole and turn it kind of things but I guess they could qualify.[1] There is also the APU, spinning up the turbines and a bunch of other steps before takeoff. [1]: https://www.alphaindustries.eu/media/image/ea/b3/30/88-0413-1.jpg https://www.alphaindustries.eu/media/image/ea/b3/30/88-0413-... As an aside, really liking the new F-15's, they can carry so many AIM-120's I imagine their main purpose is to be a missile boat from BOV supporting their stealth counterparts.

mlyle 6y ago
> As an aside, really liking the new F-15's, they can carry so many AIM-120's I imagine their main purpose is to be a missile boat from BOV supporting their stealth counterparts. That's an explicit part of doctrine now. Older F-15s and F-16s were already employing this doctrine, using the F-35 and F-22 as mini-AWACS and acting as force multipliers for the exotic stealth aircraft with highly capable radars but relatively modest internal armament capabilities.
- zaphirplane 6y ago
  Wouldn’t their lack of stealth give away the element of surprise for the stealth elements ?
  - mlyle 6y ago
    They don't need to be right next to the stealth planes. They can dwell behind (or sometimes elsewhere..), ready to be vectored to intercept targets the leading stealth aircraft detect from beyond visual range.
GekkePrutser 6y ago
Well yes but those things are part of the startup checklist. Every plane has that, even on a Cessna 172 that does have a key (that doubles as ignition/magneto switch) you can't just turn the key and expect it to fire up. At least not if the power-down checklist was followed properly and the mixture pulled to cutoff! If the engine is cold you'll also have to prime it first. I'm sure on an F-16 this is a magnitude of times more difficult but it's not really a 'key' as such, it's just process. Once you know it it can't be taken away like a key can, or changed like a PIN code. They're not protection against unauthorised use. It's more a side-effect. I mean more like a key that's different for every plane, or a PIN code or something. But maybe if there was that'd be confidential information I guess, maybe I shouldn't have asked :D PS: I didn't know the new F-15s were so different. I'm really surprised they put them back into production. I remember them roaring over the Netherlands from Soesterberg but this feels like ages ago.

mlyle 6y ago

> As an aside, really liking the new F-15's, they can carry so many AIM-120's I imagine their main purpose is to be a missile boat from BOV supporting their stealth counterparts. That's an explicit part of doctrine now. Older F-15s and F-16s were already employing this doctrine, using the F-35 and F-22 as mini-AWACS and acting as force multipliers for the exotic stealth aircraft with highly capable radars but relatively modest internal armament capabilities.

zaphirplane 6y ago
Wouldn’t their lack of stealth give away the element of surprise for the stealth elements ?
- mlyle 6y ago
  They don't need to be right next to the stealth planes. They can dwell behind (or sometimes elsewhere..), ready to be vectored to intercept targets the leading stealth aircraft detect from beyond visual range.

GekkePrutser 6y ago

Well yes but those things are part of the startup checklist. Every plane has that, even on a Cessna 172 that does have a key (that doubles as ignition/magneto switch) you can't just turn the key and expect it to fire up. At least not if the power-down checklist was followed properly and the mixture pulled to cutoff! If the engine is cold you'll also have to prime it first. I'm sure on an F-16 this is a magnitude of times more difficult but it's not really a 'key' as such, it's just process. Once you know it it can't be taken away like a key can, or changed like a PIN code. They're not protection against unauthorised use. It's more a side-effect. I mean more like a key that's different for every plane, or a PIN code or something. But maybe if there was that'd be confidential information I guess, maybe I shouldn't have asked :D PS: I didn't know the new F-15s were so different. I'm really surprised they put them back into production. I remember them roaring over the Netherlands from Soesterberg but this feels like ages ago.