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I am Australian and didn't go through the UK education system but I lived in the UK from 2001 to 2004 and I was somewhat shocked at the state of the education s
by cletus 15y ago
I am Australian and didn't go through the UK education system but I lived in the UK from 2001 to 2004 and I was somewhat shocked at the state of the education system when I was there.
At the time there was a show on Channel 4 called "That'll Teach 'Em". The idea was to put (then) current GCSE students through the old O-levels in a 1950s boarding school environment. It was of course (like any "reality" show) done up for TV but there were some interesting tidbits, which were news to me (as an expat):
- Grade inflation is rampant, so much so that they had to invent a grade above an A (the A<asterisk>) because too many people were getting As.
In the US I believe this to also be a problem but it's hidden behind scaling of results. At least I see so many people who have 3.8+ college GPAs (which, as I understand it, basically means 80% As and 20% Bs) that I have to wonder where all the C students are.
In Australia--at least when I went through the education system some 15+ years ago--it was nothing like that.
- Students who were getting 11 GCSE As couldn't pass 4 O-levels. Granted the curriculum structure is different (eg it once relied on more memorization) but still...
- Current education philosophy in the UK seems to emphasize creative expression, which to me sounds like the educational equivalent of moral relativism in that there is no wrong or right. The idea is to simply make students express themselves. Nevermind actually knowing anything or being able to critically formulate or deconstruct an argument.
- Students who were getting As in GCSE French couldn't even conjugate the verb "avoir" (to have). If you've never studied a language this means coming up with the French equivalent of I have / we have / you have / he/she/it has / they have (j'ai / nous avons / tu as / vous avez / il/elle a / ils/elles ont). This is as basic as it gets.
In case you were wondering why there was 6 for French and 5 for English, the second person singular in English (thou hast) has fallen into disuse.
From what I remember the exams were largely take-home translations, which in the Internet age typically meant getting someone French to do them.
- Maths was incredibly weak.
But the UK seems to have a similar problem to what Australia does now: a government who has treated the number of students in university as some kind of target. The uncomfortable truth is that not everybody belongs in university or will get anything out of it.
- arethuza 15y ago"a government who has treated the number of students in university as some kind of target." I'm pretty sure the real motivation for increasing the number of places in higher education was simply to keep the unemployment numbers down.
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- enko 15y ago> what Australia does now: a government who has treated the number of students in university as some kind of target I am beginning to see the first real results of these policies amongst that group of my friends who did not do technical degrees or have some other skill. The people who did "International Studies" or "International Politics" or any of a whole range of cool-sounding but, when it comes down to it, basically useless qualifications. None of them can get any sort of job commensurate with the headed-straight-for-the-UN promise of the degree title; at best they can hope for a public service bureaucrat job. More than one are teaching themselves programming after observing myself and others rocketing up on trajectories unthinkable in the arts degree world. Disillusionment doesn't really begin to cover it. The realisation that a great number of degrees are, if not useless, then at least impractical has not yet seemed to make it back to the year 12 students doing the choosing - but the secret certainly seems to be getting out, in some demographics at least.
- GrangalanJr 15y agoHolder of a useless non-technical degree here. Tens of thousands of dollars spent on education, and now I work an entry-level retail job. But I do count myself fortunate that I have no debt from my (perhaps mostly pointless) university experience. Using my spare time to teach myself programming and some math. :-)